Joe's daughter would exist because she was in the room at the time. His GF wouldn't remember him.

I agree with the assessment that there wasn't enough pain in the ending. Getting her back, but markedly on the run from the other factions, perhaps. But they were all left hanging.

Well, Joe is on the run for history's most poorly executed frame job (seriously, cops didn't check Ruper for powder burns, notice him emptying his bank accounts, bailing on his wife, and leaving a trail of traumatized police behind him?) and kidnapping the Fanning spawn. That won't make for an idyllic child-raising environment, though it's not directly a price of becoming an object.

But I don't think they punched that up enough.

Just a note for all the SPN fans: I'm almost done watching S1.

"Salvation" kicked ass. It's a shame that most shows only end up delivering episodes like this at the end of the season, but I'm glad to have gotten one. I was practically on the edge of my seat when Sam and Dean were trying to stop the Demon, and I may have let out an almost inaudible "Whoa" when Dean saved the baby ONE SECOND BEFORE THE CRIB LIT AFIRE.

For those interested, I have weighed in on Supernatural.

BSG: Wow, I think my sympathies just switched over entirely from Lee to Anders in that last scene between them. I'm mostly a Lee/Kara shipper, despite her craziness, and I like seeing the dynamic between them, because it's so fucked up; but Anders knows what it's like to love her, and to be with her, and he's not walking away, and he'll risk his life to save her, and suddenly I LOVE him.

Also, a question: Didn't Admiral Adama know that Hera was still alive? In the scene where he confronts Roslin about Hera being at her school, he was really angry with her for keeping it from him, but I thought he knew already. What am I missing?

No need to whitefont that, Kate.

As for sympathies, mine are totally not with Dee. Other than that, I barely care. Anders should bail on Kara or stop complaining.

Oh, you're right. Duh. Too much watching of non-U.S. TV shows.

I'd kind of like to see Anders divorce Kara's ass - screw what she thinks about it. He needs to rescue her, then dump her flat. Not that that seems where it's headed. A girl can dream...

Well. I guess I'm fairly clear on where my sympathies do not lie. As someone(s) said above, I kind of like that the writers are willing to write in a way that makes me want to smack two of the leads right upside their self-involved heads and yet they're still behaving in character.

Also, re: Doctor Who: I agree that this season hasn't hit the highs (or even just the consistency) of last season. I don't know how much of that is due to the writing, and how much is due to Tennant vs. Eccleston (and I like them both quite a lot, but Eccleston will forever be MY doctor), or other factors. I'm still enjoying it very much, but I think if this season had been my introduction to the show, I might not have fallen for it like I did.

That said, I quite liked "Fear Her", especially since I'd been led to believe I wouldn't like it very much. I like when Rose gets to be smart and save the day, and I liked the concept of the lonely alien creature that would just eat up everything in its path if it couldn't get back to where it belonged. (They're really hitting the theme of loneliness hard this season, aren't they? And it's strange to me, because I thought Nine was a much lonelier man than Ten is, so I'm a little puzzled that this is the theme they've chosen to play up for Ten -- or at least, for this season.)

Rose has been bouncing all over the place, to me, this season, and, on the whole, been a lot less relateable.

I agree that her characterization hasn't been as consistent as it was last season, but I identify so very much with her that it's hard for me not to love her, no matter what she does. I love her when she's smart and when she doesn't need the Doctor, and I sympathize with her when she gets all mushy over him, even though she and I both know she can't ever have the kind of relationship with him that she wants. I love her when she's stubborn and when she's stupid, and when she doesn't know what she wants, only what she's already lost. (Again, though, if I were just meeting her this season, I don't think I'd feel the same way about her.)