Anybody can be a prop class clown.

Xander ,'Touched'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Dec 13, 2006 2:33:45 pm PST #4533 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

how Gus's fingerprint is on the mirror if he only got involved AFTER the Objectification.

P-C, he was the janitor at the motel before the Objectification. Either not a good one, or he was in the middle of cleaning when It happened.

I'm disappointed they're playing up the "spooky wizard" angle and ignoring the snarky angle.

Well, he looks very snarky, and that's coming from someone who doesn't know the source material at all.


Polter-Cow - Dec 13, 2006 2:36:25 pm PST #4534 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

P-C, he was the janitor at the motel before the Objectification. Either not a good one, or he was in the middle of cleaning when It happened.

Right, but he said the motel only ever had nine rooms. How could he have been in room 10 if it never existed?


Kate P. - Dec 13, 2006 3:36:52 pm PST #4535 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Dudes, Zach was totally gay! In a frustratingly non-committal way, of course, but... gay! I'm pissed that the show creators are backing down and letting him be de-gayed.

But damn, Kara yelling in Kat's face.? Hot hot hot like a burning thing. So thank you, Jane, for that.

Oh, hell yeah.


§ ita § - Dec 13, 2006 3:50:25 pm PST #4536 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

he said the motel only ever had nine rooms. How could he have been in room 10 if it never existed?

He said they didn't know at the time that anything had happened on that day--what happened was that room 10 stopped existing. Was made to have never existed.

So, up until that time, there was a room 10, with all those objects in them. As well as the guy from one of Tim's cancelled shows. Then it was pulled from reality both forwards and backwards in time. Leaving just the stuff.


sumi - Dec 13, 2006 3:56:52 pm PST #4537 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Wait - that guy was from one of Tim's cancelled shows?

Totally didn't recognize him.

Perhaps THAT'S why Room 10 disappeared. (Tim, I mean and his cancelled shows.)


§ ita § - Dec 13, 2006 4:02:13 pm PST #4538 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd bet three Krispy Kremes that it was the lead from Strange World.


Kate P. - Dec 13, 2006 4:30:42 pm PST #4539 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

SGA: OMG! That was just so utterly fantastic. I didn't cry, but there were wavy hands like whoa when Rodney told Zelenka that he's brilliant, and then HUGGING RONON, and healing his scars, and then, OH! the reconciliation scene with John, which consisted of: "You and me, we're good, right?" "Yeah." SO MUCH LOVE. They love him! And he loves them! And they're all one big family! I can't stop smiling.

There are no glitter pens sparkly enough to express how much I love this episode.


Polter-Cow - Dec 13, 2006 10:34:12 pm PST #4540 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Dekker's management de-gayed Zach.

Now Tim Kring's statement makes a lot more sense:

However, it has simply become too complicated behind the scenes to push this issue further with this particular character.

Still really annoying that it happened, but at least we know whose fault it is now.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2006 3:46:38 am PST #4541 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

OK, so any bets on how much bigger the Heroes audience (who apparently actually liked gay Zach) is than the audience this Sarah Connor show may pull in if it actually gets picked up by the network?

Dekker should be looking around for new management.


sumi - Dec 14, 2006 4:19:42 am PST #4542 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, what Matt said.

It really was so out of the blue -- I mean with an audience the size of the audience for Heroes you'd think if people were upset about Zach being gay we would have heard something. And did the actor change management recently? Because my understanding is that he's played unambiguously gay characters before.