That was an awfully lame response on the part of Kring. Why'd he bother?
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Jon B. - Dec 12, 2006 9:55:32 am PST #4471 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Polter-Cow - Dec 12, 2006 10:05:57 am PST #4472 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, what the hell? This has Dead Like Me written all over it. Bryan Fuller intended to make George's dad gay and even set it up in the pilot, but the network nixed the idea. And I swear I read an interview with Fuller early on that said Zach was gay, so I was confused when that wasn't being made clear for many episodes. And then I thought it was, and now Kring said it wasn't? Weird.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 12, 2006 10:37:30 am PST #4473 of 10001
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Nice to see that the mere prospect of a secondary character (who's most likely being written out anyway) being gay has sent NBC into Watergate cover-up mode. What network was Will & Grace on, again?
Topic!Cindy - Dec 12, 2006 12:05:18 pm PST #4474 of 10001
What is even happening?
Yeah, what the hell? This has Dead Like Me written all over it. Bryan Fuller intended to make George's dad gay and even set it up in the pilot, but the network nixed the idea. And I swear I read an interview with Fuller early on that said Zach was gay, so I was confused when that wasn't being made clear for many episodes. And then I thought it was, and now Kring said it wasn't? Weird.
Wasn't Dead Like Me on ShowTime or another premium channel?
Before I read Kring's comments, I wondered if there was a chance they decided not to portray Zach as gay, because they're going to kill him, and they didn't want a Tara on their hands.
To tell you the truth, I never thought Zach read gay, until the implied coming-out scene, which felt contrived to me. I thought he had a crush on Claire. Then again, I never paid attention to the MySpace page, and website stuff, either.
Polter-Cow - Dec 12, 2006 12:07:17 pm PST #4475 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Wasn't Dead Like Me on ShowTime or another premium channel?
Yes, it was on Showtime.
To tell you the truth, I never thought Zach read gay, until the implied coming-out scene, which felt contrived to me. I thought he had a crush on Claire.
Right, I think that was what Kring must have intended, but since I'd read that interview that said he was gay, I saw that instead.
Monique - Dec 12, 2006 12:09:26 pm PST #4476 of 10001
To tell you the truth, I never thought Zach read gay, until the implied coming-out scene, which felt contrived to me. I thought he had a crush on Claire. Then again, I never paid attention to the MySpace page, and website stuff, either.
Ditto to all that. One of my guesses would be they weren't expecting it to come off like he has a crush on her, and maybe they decided to change course to take advantage of the chemistry? I don't know. I was surprised to learn he was being presented as gay in the collateral materials (I tend to avoid homework with my TV, beyond boards) -- I just figured on the show, the kids who mocked him were being jackasses like kids are.
Vortex - Dec 12, 2006 12:13:52 pm PST #4477 of 10001
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To tell you the truth, I never thought Zach read gay, until the implied coming-out scene, which felt contrived to me. I thought he had a crush on Claire.
I always got the gay vibe from him. I liked that it wasn't the pathetic geek craving love from the cheerleader
§ ita § - Dec 12, 2006 1:37:09 pm PST #4478 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I got an outcast, to-be-resolved vibe from him. Having him not be gay doesn't stick out to me.
Who knew the network responsible for Mansquito had this kind of quality up their sleeves?
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Topic!Cindy - Dec 12, 2006 1:41:29 pm PST #4479 of 10001
What is even happening?
Ditto to all that. One of my guesses would be they weren't expecting it to come off like he has a crush on her, and maybe they decided to change course to take advantage of the chemistry? I don't know. I was surprised to learn he was being presented as gay in the collateral materials (I tend to avoid homework with my TV, beyond boards) -- I just figured on the show, the kids who mocked him were being jackasses like kids are.Right. I even considered whether the coming-out implication was going to end up being a bait and switch, and he didn't actually mean he was gay.
It's really strange that their collateral materials presented him as gay or at least unsure of his sexuality, if that's not where they were going with his story. Hmmm.
Liese S. - Dec 12, 2006 1:50:02 pm PST #4480 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Just think of what Mansquito could have been...okay, nevermind.
I don't know what to make of the gay/not gay thing. Other than, there must still be a lot of conservatism in the heart of the good ol' boy networks. And also, that collateral material is not, evidently, canon.