I was trying to figure out why the particular boxers were fighting who they were fighting. Still can't figure Helo and Apollo: maybe Helo was pissed that Lee let himself go? Maybe Helo was pissed over some tension we never saw with Lee being resistant over Athena being his wife, and then getting commissioned as part of the fleet, and then coming up with the idea to exterminate all Cylons? Okay, that last I can see, cuz it forced Helo and Athena into a bad place for a bit. Rewatching, and it seems like it was Lee who had chosen Helo -just the impression I get from Helo's and Kara's comments- so maybe it's Lee who is pissed that his plan for removing the Cylon threat was thwarted by Helo. Okay. Watching some more, and based on the way the flashbacks of Kara and Lee were almost used in replace of Lee and Kara's actual opponents (Helo and Hotdog respectively), it now seems that in the end, it's All. About. Kara & Lee (4EVA!). In conclusion, Helo was Lee's random stand-in for Kara.

I'll console myself (and all of you who had to read the above) by saying it was for ALL of the reasons above :/

Chief and Adama? I wonder if they were fighting each other for the same reason as the other: anger at being allowed/allowing him to live on NC? (Chief's face of joy when he got the go-ahead was wonderful, I just had to put my hand up to block Cally's ridiculous face from ruining the pure emotion coming from Aaron Douglas).

Oh, and yes, as much as Dee has annoyed me, my heart went out to her as I watched her understanding all that was going on between Kara and Lee. And then the final shot of Anders and her standing together, both brokenhearted... *guh*

Other things I loved:

-Cottle really getting into the boxing, throwing little punches at the air

-Kara's soft smile up on the catwalk when she first gets to the "arena" (hangar deck? maintenance bay?)

-that Kat was heard but not seen eta "aw crap, there she is"

Billy was shot in season 2. (I edited because I couldn't decide if Cindy really wanted to know.)

Well, if I am understanding things correctly that night was the only time that she and Lee had sex. And it makes NO SENSE to me that she would either turn around and marry Anders at that point or do the other thing and give up Anders for Lee.

Oh and the preview on demand is up and is COMPLETELY different than the promo shown on tv or the one that was up on the scifi site last night.

Also, interesting.

I think Kara marrying Anders was her running away from a powerful and scary love. She loves Anders and he her, but it's a nice love, uncomplicated (their marriage did grow on me this season), and now I'm wondering if one of the reasons she's so scared to actualize something with Lee is because it IS so explosive and sometimes violent, and keeps bringing up her childhood with an abusive mother???

But deep down, I still think she's frightened of them (K/L) together because she knows that he loves her so much, and she doesn't think she deserves that (and for whatever reason, the level of love she shares with Anders doesn't bring up that insecurity, or maybe it's that the "love/in love" thing was never an issue with her and Sam (from her end).

I can see her marriage to Sam as an extreme version of "Dance with Lee, sleep with Baltar to escape sleeping with Lee, although I really want to".

I think it also ties into the conversation/confrontation she had with Lee in her "house" about her future, what she wants out of life, but I'm too hungover to really explore that right now.

You know, she didn't really say what she wanted, did she? Just that flying was going to suck -- I imagine she was looking for another challenge.

yeah, when I heard that, I thought "I guess Apollo isn't the only one who needs a war".

I wonder if the sentiments behind her "Flying will be boring now" were along the lines of her losing her Starbuckness (but she kinda lost that in Scar, didn't she?)??? Without the challenge of actual fighting, it's like taking a deskjob? So she'd prefer to become a . . . housewife? Rather than sully what's left of her Starbuck persona, she hangs it up?

I guess that it would at least be new.

What I don't understand is why they couldn't say, have a plan so that people who are in Service can spend some time on the planet with their families -- working on security THERE while others are on Galactica and Pegasus. I mean, surely in the Colonies folks in the service have lives planetside too. (Otherwise, would Tigh have been married? And clearly, Bill Adama had a family.)

that would make too much sense!

Or maybe there just weren't enough service members? Nah, they could have given shore-leave for one battlestar, leave the other fully manned, and then switch.

But maybe that's what Adama and Roslin were talking about?

Billy was shot in season 2. (I edited because I couldn't decide if Cindy really wanted to know.)

Thanks, sumi. I really did want to know, because we are watching the DVDs, but I fall asleep half of the time. It's not the kind of show I can watch when the kids are up. It's too violent, and the sex scenes are too graphic. Scott's really cool about re-watching, but I fall asleep a lot, and at some point, I just say, "No, go onto the next one."

Well, if I am understanding things correctly that night was the only time that she and Lee had sex. And it makes NO SENSE to me that she would either turn around and marry Anders at that point or do the other thing and give up Anders for Lee.

Why would it make no sense for her to give up Anders for Lee?

Okay, otherwise, I guess I'm not so lost, it's just (thus far, at least) dumbish, or at least it's still unclear. Now it's next week's episode that's being written by Jane Espenson, right? Because I was thinking it was this week's and I was so disappointed, because it was rather dialogue-lite, and dialogue is Jane's stock-in-trade.

Maybe Zak ties into why Kara doesn't let herself have Lee (for long)? She has residual guilt. Or maybe she's afraid she loves Lee more? Or I don't know.

Yeah, I was having a hard time following Kara's thinking last night. She's always been kind of fucked up, but the new fucked-up-ness--this ball of rage she's carrying around--is all tied into being held captive by Leoben. So the shit she pulled on Lee, basically intentionally breaking his heart that way, well, that happened before the Cylons came back. And sure, she's a mess, but I hadn't gathered she was quite that screwed up, to hurt her oldest friend that badly.

I dunno. I like Kara, and I feel kind of bad for Lee--which is good, because I wasn't for a while--but I don't follow the emotional logic here.

Also, I have some more respect for Lee now, given that he's made a real effort, I think, in his marriage with Dee. Or he was, anyway, before Kara came back. The rest of the season, however, is going to be very messy.

And I know that Katee Sackhoff isn't as cut as she should be, to do what she does, but man, I wouldn't mind looking like that. t does some more situps