So what are some examples of Pinocchio stories done well? I agree that they completely bungled Data's storyline in the later years and the movie. I did love Odo, but I'm not sure that his is a Pinocchio story either. Odo wanted to find his people, not become a human.
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Dana - Nov 16, 2006 9:26:30 am PST #3705 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 9:28:48 am PST #3706 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
However they still want to breed with people, and live on Earth.
Yeah. Although it'd be fun if they wanted to come to Earth just so they could fuck with us.
Ooh, they could have a Six move to each state and enter the Miss America pagent. Then when we have 50 identical women arrive for the competition....
OK, BSG's probably not going in that direction, huh?
Katie M - Nov 16, 2006 9:28:48 am PST #3707 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
They managed to spread all over Earth without any trouble. I don't think other planets would pose an insurmountable problem.
Well, sure, if they wanted to, but we don't usually see them wanting to. You get episodes like Cor-ai, where the locals are all "we run away when they come!" Well, okay, but they're coming on foot. If they really really want the planet they can probably have it, but it certainly seems like they're not going to try very hard if the people wander off.
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2006 9:29:38 am PST #3708 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think Odo was a deluded Pinocchio. He wanted to be human until he discovered he had a people, and then it was about them.
7 of 9 is weird, because she used to be human. Wanting to be human again, or wanting to be a half-borg...both are valid destinations from her starting position.
However, I am totally blanking on other examples.
Frankenbuddha - Nov 16, 2006 9:32:03 am PST #3709 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Well, AtS kinda ventured into Pinocchio territory, and they did induldge in a bit more Sci-Fi than Buffy, but I'm not sure it really counts as a science fiction series per se.
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2006 9:34:18 am PST #3710 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You get episodes like Cor-ai, where the locals are all "we run away when they come!"
Which wasn't working too well, was it? Weren't they left with some other method to protect themselves at episode's end?
SG1 is worse than Joss and Buffy's powers, about having the reach of any technology/alien/etc do more than serve the narrative.
Just as strong/whatever as need be.
Which, I must say, is more irritating in principle than most of what that guy listed. He's all about external rules. I get miffed when internal ones get frelled.
Which is to say--if the writers want the Go'auld to get you, they don't have to mess with canon much to get it done. Perhaps we just never see stories of those missions, because they're not interesting, because there's so much less conflict.
eta: Speaking of SG1--the replicators, right? But they were also bent on destroying their templates, not living among them.
Katie M - Nov 16, 2006 9:39:31 am PST #3711 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
eta: Speaking of SG1--the replicators, right? But they were also bent on destroying their templates, not living among them.
The Atlantis versions are all into becoming the Ancients, though.
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2006 9:40:20 am PST #3712 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The SGA replicators confuse the fuck out of me, and I try not to think about them too much.
Jessica - Nov 16, 2006 9:41:51 am PST #3713 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
He's all about external rules. I get miffed when internal ones get frelled.
Absolutely. Good writing and internal consistency can overcome almost any annoying cliche. (Which Firefox keeps wanting to correct to cloche.)
Dana - Nov 16, 2006 9:42:19 am PST #3714 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I totally buy that replicators created by the Ancients would think that becoming an Ancient is the best thing ever. I mean, these are the Ancients we're talking about.