I'm still not thrilled with Mckey being onboard. I kind of get why Rose is hanging on him, but seriously not thrilled.

That's a pretty big reveal they teased with the mindreading. Wonder if they'll follow through.

Did they parallel Mickey and the king more overtly in the BBC version? Or just leave it implied?

BSG: Back on the run! Off that frakking planet. And I can't say that I'll miss Ellen. I'm hoping that Hera might get interesting. And I so won't miss the porn-stache. All in all, thumbs up.

Okay, I cried with Tigh when he killed Ellen. . . but then I'm in alot of pain tonight.

I'm not that familiar with past Doctors -- so the mind-reading thing was new?

Loved both shows tonight! The Doctor Who writer did a good job of ripping off Dean Koontz (his book Lightning has the same plot, only with Nazis, not broken-down spaceships), and I can definitely see why Tennant ended up dating the actress who played Rennate after they filmed this ep--wonderful chemistry between them.

Tonight's BSG was a great opportunity for the second-tier characters to get their time in the sun, or rather, wallowing in the depths of their despair, especially Ellen and Gaeta. Loved both of their key confrontations (Ellen knew she was drinking poisin, didn't she?), particularly Gaeta's showdown with Gaius.

I think that she did.

Kathy, do you watch the previews?

I saw the preview for next week, and will watch the OnDemand excerpt once that's up and running this weekend.

Am definitely looking forward to seeing what happens to collaborators on BSG .

I could not believe that Tigh killed Ellen! I kept thinking, "I must be misunderstanding, he wouldn't actually do that!" -- and then he did it! It didn't occur to me at the time that she might know she was drinking poison, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I love all the dramatic hair-cutting/shaving moments on BSG. Not sorry to see the mustache go!

DW: I'm not quite getting the SHIPPER APOCALYPSE vibe from this ep; at least, not any more than I got it from last week's. It's not hard to see why Rennate (is that how it's spelled?) would fall for the Doctor, and I can see why he thought she was awesome and is sad that he didn't get to see her again before she died, but I don't think he's OMG IN LOVE with her. I think he felt/feels much more strongly about Sarah Jane Smith.

I will say, though, that seeing those two eps back to back makes me long for a good old-fashioned Doctor-Rose-centric episode. t waves shipper flag forlornly And Mickey needs to not stick around much longer; he's best in small doses.

DW: I'm not quite getting the SHIPPER APOCALYPSE vibe from this ep; at least, not any more than I got it from last week's.

Kate, I'm a big fan of the Doctor/Rose ship, but I didn't see this ep as a huge problem for my shippiness. Yeah, some people did, and I can see how - a completely human-centric view of relationships. By which I mean the expectation that the Doctor will feel, think, and behave in relationships just the same as a human - and not just any human, but specifically a human geared toward permanent pair-bonding. Over the years, there has been little overt shippiness displayed on screen, so an ep. like "The Doctor Dances" definitely opened the discussion - the message there is that, yes, the Doctor does have relationships. I see the message in "School Reunion" and "The Girl in the Fireplace" as the Doctor is capable of loving many people at once - holding them in his heart(s) in the now, and rarely thinking ahead about the future. As we know very little of the social fabric of his homeworld, I have thought it silly to box him in to human, specifically modern Western relationship standards.

Back to BSG: what about Jake!??!!

I can definitely see why Tennant ended up dating the actress who played Rennate after they filmed this ep--wonderful chemistry between them.

i'm pretty sure they were dating before she guest starred, but yeah. the chemistry between them is awesome.

if i'm remembering correctly, very few people liked this episode when it aired in the UK. for me it was the realization that DT was my new favorite doctor. i believe my exact words were Christopher Eccleston who?

I thought it was a very touching episode.

What did people not like about it?