Maybe I've always been here.

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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Katie M - Apr 29, 2004 3:29:40 pm PDT #4324 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Holli, I love that. I'm sorry, I know that's not actually helpful, but... there it is.


Deena - Apr 29, 2004 3:36:40 pm PDT #4325 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Oh god, you made me cry. The ending is a punch in the gut. The whole thing is amazing.


deborah grabien - Apr 29, 2004 3:38:05 pm PDT #4326 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Holli, it's a strong piece, very strong. If there's something missing - and I'm not certain there is - it may be in the turn of phrase in one or two places, a sense that the narrator is an observor only. That may make it feel a bit chilly, but chill, in this instance, is no bad thing - you're talking about youth, and youth's tendency is not so much to distance, as it is to dramatise. So the detachment here, of the narrator for the subject, is jarring, but I think in interesting ways.

A couple of mechanical notes:

"conplained" - complained. But actually, I'd lose that entire line, to preserve the continuity of thought here: "I knew her from the literary magazine, which she had joined that year, and I can’t say I liked her. Mostly I thought of her as pretentious, and a mediocre writer besides. I remember thinking, that night, that if she had told my friend this story, (add a comma there) she was a better writer than I thought."

I think the story, as told, certainly comes right down to its point: death is the irrefutable fact, and the only mystery is in how we get there.

What did you feel was missing?

(Just realised how editorial I sounded...)

edit: and damn, out the door in ten minutes for writers group. I'm hoping to see all sorts of commentary on this one when I get back.


Holli - Apr 29, 2004 3:41:55 pm PDT #4327 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Deb, thank you! Editorial's exactly what I need.

I was thinking I needed a better transition to the second version of the story, and from that to the conclusion. The mystery is what I mean by "better," and how on earth to write it. It's problematic.


deborah grabien - Apr 29, 2004 3:45:01 pm PDT #4328 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Got it. I love the fact that you're going less for blind emotion on this one than for clarity - because I live in the headspace and heartspace that tends to define the eternal verities as things we spend our lives hunting for clarity about.

I need to be out the door in about ten minutes (writers group, and for once, I'm not hosting, so I need to go there, and it's over in the Castro) - but may I look this one over again, and let my head nibble around its edges, and ping you later? I'll try to check AIM when I get home.


Holli - Apr 29, 2004 3:45:51 pm PDT #4329 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Definitely. I'll be on IM.


deborah grabien - Apr 29, 2004 3:47:47 pm PDT #4330 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

It may be lateish. I'll check in when I get home; if you're up, we can seesaw. Meanwhile? Smoochies, bebe. It's a damned good piece of work, and any alterations, additions or subtractions are likely to be minimal and cosmetic.


sj - Apr 29, 2004 4:23:00 pm PDT #4331 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Huh. I thought the repetition was deliberate: as in, awkward teenager, think again, awkward teenager. I thought it was there to smack home the "fishnet tights" line.

Do you think the repetition works?

Holli, that is an amazing story. Very powerful.


deborah grabien - Apr 29, 2004 7:37:11 pm PDT #4332 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

sj, I thought it worked fine. But if you had a different intent, it would probably work just as well with that - it comes down, in the end, to where the author wants to take it.

edit: and how did I miss this?

"And I guess I'll just wallow in self-pity now." (/Pissy!Munchkin) :)

Oh, you so will NOT, madam. Don't I praise your meatloaf and bake you lemon bread? Huh?


deborah grabien - Apr 29, 2004 9:45:54 pm PDT #4333 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Huh. *Finally* got my damned AIM up, and Holli, I think I missed you. Let's try again in the morning or tomorrow night.