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John H - Nov 18, 2002 5:03:37 pm PST #346 of 10001

Just catching up on Susan's piece, the one thing that stuck in my mind, since I read it last night, is that you said the heroine was "racist".

Maybe it's just me, but that just sounds awful to me. You went on and softened it afterward, but hey, if she's racist, she's pretty much a bad person and I don't care if she gets hit by a truck, let alone finds True Love. I'd have been much happier reading something like "she's been brought up in a racist family" or "she has the racist attitudes typical of her upbringing" or something.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2002 5:10:20 pm PST #347 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd have been much happier reading something like "she's been brought up in a racist family" or "she has the racist attitudes typical of her upbringing" or something.

Wouldn't she still be racist?


Susan W. - Nov 18, 2002 5:12:18 pm PST #348 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I'd have been much happier reading something like "she's been brought up in a racist family" or "she has the racist attitudes typical of her upbringing" or something.

That's what I was trying to get at by saying it's clear she's acting out of ignorance instead of malice, but I could certainly change it.


John H - Nov 18, 2002 5:18:12 pm PST #349 of 10001

Wouldn't she still be racist?

Well yeah, but there's something about saying a person is something that makes it sound final, and much more damning, than if you say that they have certain attitudes, which to my mind links it in a certain time in their life.

Do her attitudes change, Susan, as the book goes on? I'm assuming this isn't one of those aryan-fascist-KKK-sponsored-white-supremacist romance novels that are so common in bookstores today...


Susan W. - Nov 18, 2002 5:50:45 pm PST #350 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Oh yes, her attitudes definitely change--not in one big epiphany, but you see her gradually become more open-minded throughout.


John H - Nov 18, 2002 5:52:53 pm PST #351 of 10001

In that case I think I would have written "At the start of the book..." followed by whatever you have to say about her attitudes.


Susan W. - Nov 19, 2002 11:21:02 pm PST #352 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

In writing class tonight, I got applause. And then one of my classmates said it was a very polished scene, so he wasn't surprised it was from earlier in the story than the previous things I'd had workshopped. I said, "I've been writing the book out of order. I actually wrote this scene last night." They then clapped again.

I'm floating about six feet above the ground right now.


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 19, 2002 11:33:52 pm PST #353 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Cool. Go, Susan.


Holli - Nov 20, 2002 9:41:40 am PST #354 of 10001
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Something I've been working on. Needs polish

Borrowed

I heard you once
I heard you say
(heard someone say,
at least):

This seems like what it needs to be.
There you are. Where did you go?
I will! Let's go tomorrow.
(I'm so happy) What good news!
Did you? I did! Oh, good for you!

This isn't what it should have been.
Where are you going? I can't find you.
Will we finish by tomorrow?
(I'm so sorry) Is there news?
Did you? I did. Oh, that's awful.

This isn't what it used to be.
I think I lost you. How'd I lose you?
I'll be gone, this time tomorrow.
(I'm so tired) That's not news.
Why did you? I just... did.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Nov 20, 2002 9:54:34 am PST #355 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I like it, Holli. I especially like the rhythum of the last stanza, "I think I lost you. How'd I lose you?/ I'll be gone, this time tomorrow."

The last line is a bit, um, clunky- 'I just... did' doesn't feel like it works. Perhaps something which worked with the metre rather than against it would be better?

The pattern of using brackets is clever, too- and it works. The first stanza doesn't go with the rest quite as well, although that doesn't feel like it stops it working.