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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2002 10:29:13 am PST #197 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What's the problem, erika?

If it feels anvilly to you, then get back to the objective correlative. You know - the concrete things and gestures that can carry the import of the story.

It might be a little too explicit and summarizing here:

You remember that feeling. Also, the sense that one day you would wake up and understand everything. You held it until the middle of college when reality took it away. You miss it more than your last boyfriend.

I'd say take out "when reality took it away" and then find a physical detail that she would miss about her boyfriend (which you can set up earlier in the story) that she misses. So something like...

You remember that feeling and the faith that one day the world would make sense. You miss it. You miss it more than waking up looking into [ex-boyfriend's] untroubled, sleeping face.


erikaj - Nov 11, 2002 11:12:21 am PST #198 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, looking at it now, feels like I'm trying too hard to go"See, look. Irony? What looks normal isn't, get it!(Although divorce is certainly normal enough now, but you know what I mean, right?)


DavidS - Nov 11, 2002 11:25:50 am PST #199 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What looks normal isn't, get it!

Well, but that's the basic premise of the whole story. It's not a useless epiphany - it's all in the execution whether you can get that across. You just don't want it too pat.


erikaj - Nov 11, 2002 11:29:12 am PST #200 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, right, exactly.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2002 12:00:32 pm PST #201 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, right, exactly.

Okay, now that we've agreed that pat anvilly epiphanies are poor literature, what do you want to do with the story?

What can make it better?

Sometimes you can't just rework the ending, you need to go back through the story and see what you can do to lead the story to a more interesting place. If you just focus on the ending you'll get frustrated because you don't have enough options.

Things that make it less anvilly might include going back and building up the parallels between the girl and the main character so there's more payoff with the epiphany. Making either of the characters more complex/ambiguous themselves. For example, the girl could be voicing a real complaint and also be self-involved or unsympathetic.

I dunno - kind of depends on the rest of the story (which I haven't seen) and what you want to do with it.


erikaj - Nov 11, 2002 12:08:52 pm PST #202 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, do you want to? Read the rest of it? This is an honest question, not a command-as-question.


erikaj - Nov 11, 2002 1:03:43 pm PST #203 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yay. Found my problem. Not all of it maybe, but...the original for this story was on a computer that is pining for the fjords.A few months later, on new PC, I get new idea, write it in, attempting to copy original because with typical lack of respect for own efforts, did not back up work, so there is at least one missing scene. Which, because I have lived with this so long, does not appear to be missing any longer AFAIC, but will affect readers that don't live in my brain.You know,because it leads to a bigger audience in the long run.Thank you so much, Hec. Because looking at your own work for yourself doesn't always work.Asking you helped me see what was really on the page, not what I was thinking of writing. Half the movies that don't make sense probably have that problem.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Nov 11, 2002 1:04:13 pm PST #204 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

I find it easier to judge the ending of something I've read the start and middle of- so I'd say yeah, hit us with all of it.


erikaj - Nov 11, 2002 1:07:16 pm PST #205 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

But currently, it is eleven pages long. Truly, that's cruel and unusual punishment somewhere, isn't it?


Am-Chau Yarkona - Nov 11, 2002 1:12:22 pm PST #206 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

It may be so. Eleven pages is a lot for a post, and I can't say 'e-mail me', really, becuase I don't have time for more than I've already taken on, editing-wise. Um... a good, detailed summary, with quotes? Just writing it might help you see the plot in a different light.