I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Jul 11, 2003 8:28:13 am PDT #1560 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Bev, again - friend of Nic's boss. They get the buddy rate.

Just don't invite them to Thursday night.

BWAH! Trust me, honey, I am so planning on not.....


Beverly - Jul 11, 2003 8:37:14 am PDT #1561 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

They get the buddy rate

Ah. Well, as you say. I do hope the book is at least fun to work on, though.


deborah grabien - Jul 11, 2003 8:46:24 am PDT #1562 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

So, they wrote me this:

Re: your warning about being up front, that's exactly why I looked to you for this. Your critique the other day was so refreshing! There's no room for sugar coating. Lesleyann and I want to make this worthy of publishing. We recognize that we have a lot to learn, and what may appear immediately axiomatic to you is obviously slipping right past us. I suppose one of the struggles we're facing is how to deliver the description without falling into the "telling" trap, and how to "show" without making the reader feel like they're being lead by the hand as opposed to experience it themselves.

Of course, if you dig into this and completely disagree with the agent's take, then that's fine. But my gutt says he's probably correct.

The first 55 is attached. How do you want to charge us for this?

And I wrote back:

For this sort of editing, I generally charge rather a lot. But you get the family rate, so I'll do the first 55 pages, in a very deep intensive way, make notes, make suggestions, restructure bits so that you can see how the characters' and story's voices should take the place of your own voice, suggest a first scene (my take would be to begin with Gina, since she's your main protagonist), and see if that gets you on your way with fixing the rest. If you need more, we can discuss. For now, call it $100 for the deep edits and we're even.

But I would very strongly suggest - in fact, I'm teetering on insisting - that after I do this, the three of us get together, that we put aside an afternoon to sit down and go over this, and that we do it in realtime and not online.

Does this work for you? If so, I'll get started and should have this by tomorrow morning.

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And the ball is now in his court. I'll do it, collect the hundred bucks and make them buy me lunch, and hit them with a ruler.


Consuela - Jul 11, 2003 8:56:03 am PDT #1563 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Get them to love the machete, Deb. It's VERY good of you to do this, and worth far more to them than $100 and a good lunch (make it Boulevard, yes? *grin*)

What you're offering is far more valuable than what they'd get from an editor at a publishing house, I expect. And it's the only way for them to learn, despite the blood all over the ms.


deborah grabien - Jul 11, 2003 9:04:05 am PDT #1564 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. Consuela, that's why I told them I charged rather a lot. If they need more than that first 5o pages? Hoooboy, they get to pay for it.


Rebecca Lizard - Jul 11, 2003 11:31:33 am PDT #1565 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

deb, my mother charges $50/hour for her writing consulting-lessons-coaching-tutoring-thing for her (few) adult students. From what I've heard, that's pretty standard. (Also, that's what alice's teacher charges a hour-long violin lesson, to give perspective.)


Anne W. - Jul 11, 2003 3:57:01 pm PDT #1566 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Deb, insent. Let me know if you have trouble opening the attachment.


deborah grabien - Jul 11, 2003 4:12:21 pm PDT #1567 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Liz, whoooeeee. If I have to do more than the first 55 pages? They get smacked with bigtime fees.

Anne, got it, and it opened fine. Cookies have been offered.


Anne W. - Jul 11, 2003 4:17:21 pm PDT #1568 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Cookies will be gratefully accepted. I've heard wonderful things about your cookies.

I will be doing original writing this weekend. Alas, it is for work, and won't be all that fun.


Ms. Havisham - Jul 11, 2003 6:45:44 pm PDT #1569 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

t non-sequitor

Herring rollmops?

(I suppose I could clean the hardwood floors with fish...)