TAR: That food challenge didn't bother me because for once it actually was eating a local delicacy - and not in a quantity that just made it a sheer endurance challenge. That seems different to me than the eleventy pounds of meat or near-fatal doses of caviar.
Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.
'Out Of Gas'
Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
brenda m - Sep 17, 2006 5:44:32 pm PDT #8565 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
megan walker - Sep 17, 2006 5:45:41 pm PDT #8566 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
TAR: Okay, I have so many problems with this already. It seems stupid to eliminate two teams in the first episode. And, for a show that has trouble recruiting women teams? Maybe something that relies so much on arm strength wasn't the best idea for the first episode.
This season looks to be continuing the long-standing trend of everything being in the activities and not actually figuring how to, you know, race from place to place. I was hoping that that would be one of the big changes. And enough with the "fear factor" food challenges already.
As for teams: Kimberly and Rob definitely already bug. I have a feeling that I will soon dislike the former addicts. I don't really see anyone to root for yet. I like the coalminer and his wife, mostly because I have the feeling that the production team was hoping for "ugly, confused Americans" when they have been anything but.
JZ - Sep 17, 2006 5:48:32 pm PDT #8567 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
The class was quite made of awesome and I am much, much less stressed and nervous -- also, pretty committed to getting a shot of fentanyl rather than an epidural. The hospital we're delivering at does not do "light" epidurals, just the heavy-duty shit that numbs you out completely from chest to feet, and I already know from enduring various dental procedures with and without anesthetics that I can cope much better with some pain but full sensation and bodily control than total freedom from pain accompanied by the creepy feeling that part of my body has just been erased. Some pain, or even a lot of pain, is way, way preferable to "Hey, the lower half of my body has completely disappeared!"
Also, I can't believe Hec reported on the class without taking the opportunity to mock the fuck out of the two bonehead dads-to-be with the cracktastic questions. So, permit me to sneer at them.
Bonehead #1, during the discussion on the pros and cons of various pain relief methods during labor:
"So, if the pain is just part of a natural process and there are no long-term effects to experiencing the pain, why treat it at all?"
As Hec said later in the car on the way home, fine, fucko, we'll just nail your balls to the wall and leave you there for 12 hours. Since your balls probably won't suffer catastrophic permanent damage and you'll be more or less functional 48 hours after we take the nails out, you'll be fine without any meds, right? Right?
Bonehead #2, during the discussion of various reasons for C-sections:
"So, if the whole procedure takes only 15 minutes instead of maybe two days of labor, and it's completely painless, why doesn't everybody just have one?"
I just... major abdominal surgery... slicing through muscle walls and cutting a bodily organ open... fifteen painless minutes... buh... Fuck it. There are no words.
P.M. Marc - Sep 17, 2006 5:49:38 pm PDT #8568 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Recent studies have shown it doesn't really stall labor, according to my OB. Some docs don't make you wait to 4. But since it takes awhile for them to stick you, then for the meds to hit your system and start working, I could see where there would be a cut off point if delivery was imminent.
Recent studies, as I recall, have been mixed on the subject. But it's been months since I last read up on it.
We asked about a cut off point. The L&D nurse teaching the course was funny.
"Umm... crowning?"
(At which point, she hastened to add, they'd give you a block in that region.)
JZ should ask her OB about walking epidurals. Pain relief without the loopy or the numb! The other narcotics didn't do anything but let me rest between contractions, but it wasn't a restful rest, more a passing out rest.
ETA
The hospital we're delivering at does not do "light" epidurals, just the heavy-duty shit that numbs you out completely from chest to feet
Well, poopy!
Strega - Sep 17, 2006 5:53:24 pm PDT #8569 of 10001
(Okay, the truth is that I now need to change my tag to "Hail Eris!" May I, Strega?)Heh, it's hardly original to me, but you have my blessings.
As was mentioned elsewhere recently, the WB didn't exactly cancel Buffy. If they'd outbid UPN for it, they'd have lost money that way. If the WB had been able to keep Buffy while actually making a few pennies... I think they'd still have gone under. Buffy wasn't exactly a ratings hit in its last two seasons, remember.
The WB lost a huge audience chunk with Buffy.Is there any evidence for that?
megan walker - Sep 17, 2006 5:54:13 pm PDT #8570 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
"So, if the pain is just part of a natural process and there are no long-term effects to experiencing the pain, why treat it at all?"
The mind boggles. And,
Major abdominal surgery... slicing through muscle walls and cutting a bodily organ open... fifteen painless minutes... buh...
Having done this without the baby to take care of on the other end, I can't imagine actually choosing it.
Cass - Sep 17, 2006 6:22:25 pm PDT #8571 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
mock the fuck out of the two bonehead dads-to-be with the cracktastic questions. So, permit me to sneer at them.Sneer on, woman, sneer on...
Cashmere - Sep 17, 2006 6:41:30 pm PDT #8572 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.
I had narcotic shots with Owen during the 20 hours of labor which didn't work nearly as well as I would have liked them to.
I had two "full on" epidurals and really, I could feel plenty--it just wasn't painful. I think the procedure has gotten a lot better and the drugs they use less potent (or else they're better at dosing) because I could feel and control pushing. I don't think it's about the lower half of your body disappearing anymore. But again--this is definitely a discussion you should have with your OB.
mock the fuck out of the two bonehead dads-to-be with the cracktastic questions. So, permit me to sneer at them.
I would LOVE to have video during the delivery with these guys. I'll bet you'd be able to see the lightbulbs going on when they realize what the hell is happening.
"So, if the whole procedure takes only 15 minutes instead of maybe two days of labor, and it's completely painless, why doesn't everybody just have one?"
I hope this guy realized that "painless" was for the cutting/removing baby part and that the recovery from major abdominal surgery is a bitch.
Lee - Sep 17, 2006 7:26:32 pm PDT #8573 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Happy Phoenix Birthday, Everybody!
Vortex - Sep 17, 2006 7:30:58 pm PDT #8574 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
It's the second part of a two parter. I need to go find me some recaps because I can't recall where we left off.
I think that it was Elle in her house with the psycho