Wash: I mean, I'm the one she swore to love, honor and obey. Mal: Listen... She swore to obey? Wash: Well, no, not...

'War Stories'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nutty - Sep 14, 2006 7:03:39 am PDT #8023 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

comparing the Iraq war to the Vietnam war isn't a good way to make the case that war opponents should shut up..

This is what I was going to say. People who opposed the Vietnam War? Hey, they were kinda right! And wait, who negotiated US troops out of that country? A republican! (And who got us into that mess? A democrat! TWO democrats!!)


§ ita § - Sep 14, 2006 7:11:56 am PDT #8024 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What a remarkably stupid survey.

“Intermedia.NET believes the findings in this study to be very valuable,” added Bradbury. “Both business managers and IT professionals are quickly adopting hosted Microsoft Exchange, and this research helps us to better understand the mindset of our customers.”

Uh, what did they find? Things like:

The survey also found that despite unhelpful stereotyping such as Apple’s ‘Mac and PC’ commercials, IT and business people are equally likely – at 5% each – to wear dated 1990s spectacles.


bon bon - Sep 14, 2006 7:16:04 am PDT #8025 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think the race thing will play out in much the same way that the gender thing has in the past -- carefully edited embarrassing stereotypes from all sides on display for about three minutes before the tribes get reshuffled and everyone moves on and forms new alliances based on rational strategic reasons like who happens to be awake and getting water at the same time as you on the fourth day, and who you think is hot.

Right. Last season the four tribes lasted for what, a day? One team loses a member, becomes critically weakened, goes down to two members and then gets absorbed into another team.

I think it'll be interesting, honestly, although I also expect some cringeworthiness over trying to encourage team loyalty-- it always seemed specious whenever people tried to create loyalty to a team before*, but now it has that extra special speciousness of race loyalty.

*IMO divergent individual/team interests is one of the best parts of Survivor.


Tom Scola - Sep 14, 2006 7:20:34 am PDT #8026 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Have you seen the ad for John Hodgman's new book, and what it's based on?


Kathy A - Sep 14, 2006 7:22:42 am PDT #8027 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Last night's PR: I think my favorite garment on that runway was Michael's jacket! Laura's dress was definitely my second favorite--as she said, very Josephine Bakeresque, but a classy cocktail variation on the theme. Nice to see that she can break out of "Laura Style" to do something different, yet consistent with her own sensabilities .


Jesse - Sep 14, 2006 7:24:33 am PDT #8028 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Tom, that ad finally makes me get the Hodgman love. LOVE.

About Survivor, from looking at him, and his hip-hop oriented bio, I'm guessing that Nate Gonzalez is on the "black" team, but I'm wondering where his parents are from. I'm going to guess he's actually Dominican.


Sean K - Sep 14, 2006 7:25:00 am PDT #8029 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

People who opposed the Vietnam War? Hey, they were kinda right!

Like Coulter screaming about poor, unfairly maligned Joe McCarthy, this is less true than you might think, for some people.


Jesse - Sep 14, 2006 7:26:11 am PDT #8030 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, I have a PR question: Has Uli heard all the criticism about how she only makes the one thing? Because I could not believe that even last night -- when everyone else was making a conscious effort to break out of their ruts -- that she said, "Oh, I'm making a hippy Miami dress...."


Jessica - Sep 14, 2006 7:27:16 am PDT #8031 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Shocking news! People use MySpace to lie about themselves and post porn!


brenda m - Sep 14, 2006 7:29:15 am PDT #8032 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

She must be aware on some level because she seemed to be responding directly to the earlier challenge criticism about her dress "only" being good for Miami, LA, the south of France... (Which, come on, for the jetsetters challenge? Where else do they go? Besides the Hamptons, which Michael had covered.) So she's hearing it but...not so much with processing.