Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'

Xander ,'Selfless'


Natter 46: The FIGHTIN' 46  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2006 12:54:50 pm PDT #128 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

God, why do I care?

Anyway, 15" is very big for a cannonball. Assuming they're made of cast iron, I calculate they should weigh about 447 pounds each. (Using this site [link] and a volume of 1767 cubic inches for the given 15" diameter.)

edit because I do know the difference between radius and diameter.


Rick - Aug 02, 2006 12:57:38 pm PDT #129 of 10001

You weren't supposed to worship God because he was the nicest. You worship him because he's God. The idea that God should be benevolent is a NT retcon. When God finally speaks to Job directly, he basically says, "'Cause I'm the Almighty, that's why; you can't judge my actions."

This is a great summary of the OT God.

I know that most religious Buffistas don’t take Bible stories as the literal truth about God, but there are many people who do. I wish that I could understand why those people fail to turn away from this God in disgust.

The God of the Old Testament is a petty tyrant: selfish, impulsive, and irritable. He’s a psychopath who torments, tortures and kills without the slightest guilt, if that is what is necessary to extend his influence. His claim to authority is that of a warlord: he is powerful and therefore you should bow down to him. I doubt that there is such a God, but if there is, the response of any moral person would be to oppose his influence with every force available. That there are people who worship this monster has never ceased to amaze me.


JohnSweden - Aug 02, 2006 12:57:45 pm PDT #130 of 10001
I can't even.

It has been reprinted. Which you might know, but just in case you didn't. I read it in university, loved it to pieces, but couldn't find a copy for my own until fairly recently.

yeah, there's an Orb edition (2000). I still have my SteelDragon press hardback and the original Ace pb, but I love that book kinda irrationally.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2006 12:59:36 pm PDT #131 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What makes a powerful being a god? What makes a god worth worshipping?

I think this came up in discussion of last season's Stargate, with the Ori running around and terrorising people into obeisance. The idea was floated that since they could give life, they were gods. And if they were gods and wanted to be worshipped...then what?


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2006 1:01:43 pm PDT #132 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What makes a powerful being a god? What makes a god worth worshipping?

If He or She can cary at least 450 15" Vaseline-covered cannonballs up 12 flights of stairs?


Jars - Aug 02, 2006 1:03:44 pm PDT #133 of 10001

Yeah, I've just never been particularly interested in worshipping any god. Firstly, well, atheist, but even if I did believe in the concept of a higher being, why would I want to defer to it on all matters? If I can't understand it, then how do I know if I agree with it?


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2006 1:05:22 pm PDT #134 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If He or She can cary at least 450 15" Vaseline-covered cannonballs up 12 flights of stairs?

I know a guy who's working on clean and pressing two 70lb lumps of steel 65 times in a row. And I definitely know he's into being worshipped as a god. I can hook you up with the details of His Order if you want.


amych - Aug 02, 2006 1:08:14 pm PDT #135 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Lemme guess, Sacred Order of Our Lady of the Kettlebells?


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2006 1:10:25 pm PDT #136 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hmm. I do like that order name better. And as avatar (of vengeance) I totally think I should get a say.

Yeah, let's call it that.


bon bon - Aug 02, 2006 1:20:28 pm PDT #137 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

That's twice in a row Overheard in New York made me chortle!

Blonde: Look, there's the Chrysler. Look, there's Times Square. Where's the Empire State Building?

--Top of Empire State Building

Overheard by: englishman in new york