Non-practicing seems the closest so far, but it seems weird to put the label of Christian, say, anywhere near someone who doesn't view the whole thing with any reverence.

I feel like in this country there are a lot of - I don't know what you'd call it, default Christians? People who have their kids baptized, because it's what you do, and they may go to church on Christmas and Easter, because it's what you do, and they may never have even thought about it beyond that.

For that matter, there are also a fair number of people I know who are and who identify as Jewish, but do not observe the sabbath or dietary laws, etc.

There's a much bigger element of tradition in it than faith, sometimes.

From ita's wiki link:

in creating the world, God became the world [eta: or Universe] and does not exist as a separate entity from it

To the extent that I hold a concept of God, this would come closest to it. The rest of that description of deism implies too much other belief or philosophy associated with that, or I would call myself a deist. Though at one point, I did consider myself a deist.

I think, think that is the distinction between a 'hard athiest' and a 'soft athiest'.

And which is which? If it's what I think it is, I find that irksome. (Not you, the terms. Obviously.)

there are also a fair number of people I know who are and who identify as Jewish, but do not observe the sabbath or dietary laws, etc.

Well, that gets complex because of the culture vs. the religion. I have an Israeli friend who doesn't consider himself Jewish (he has not adopted another religion), despite having come from a Jewish family, and on the flip side a ton of Jewish friends who don't believe in any god at all.

In the natter discussion, some people said "If God were like that, I wouldn't worship him." So there's a concept of belief, but no obeisance, etc.

And I'm reminded of some branches of Buddhism that really don't care about who created the world--that's not what they're about.

there are also a fair number of people I know who are and who identify as Jewish, but do not observe the sabbath or dietary laws, etc.

Well, Reform Jews don't observe the sabbath (other than attending services) or dietary laws -- but they're actively religious.

but I too know lots of people who identify as a religion but don't actively practice it

What is Terry Pratchett said about witches/wizards and gods? That the witches & wizards acknowledge the existence of gods, but don't believe in them, because it would be like believing in a tree or a rock - they're just there (and it's no good to start paying them attention anyway, they might get a big head about it, troublesome creatures that they are)?

Yep. Which also pretty much describes part of how I view the universe. There are Powers and Presences that I may not always see, but I know they're around.

I too know lots of people who identify as a religion but don't actively practice it

Do they passively practice it? For whatever you define as non-actively, that is.

It's weird how the English for "believe in" and "faith" can encompass the message as well the entity. I believe in Golden Retrievers, but I don't believe in Golden Retrievers. It's messed up the language for me.

So I wonder what someone who believes that the Bible is true but decides "Oh, he's not worth my bother!" or "What a prick. As if." gets to be called. There's belief and there's Belief.

Weak and strong atheism

Main articles: Weak atheism, Strong atheism

Weak atheism (also called negative atheism) is the lack of belief in the existence of deities, without a commitment to the necessary non-existence of deities. Weak atheism contrasts with strong atheism, which is the belief that no deities exist, and theism, which asserts that there is at least one deity. The weak atheist generally gives a broad definition of atheism as a lack or absence of evidence justifying a belief in any deity, which defines atheism as a range of positions that entail non-belief, disbelief, doubt of theism.

Strong atheism, sometimes called positive atheism, hard atheism or gnostic atheism, is the philosophical position that no deity exists. It is a form of explicit atheism, meaning that it consciously rejects theism. It is contrasted with weak atheism, which is the lack or absence of belief in deities, without the additional claim that deities do not exist. The strong atheist positively asserts, at the very least, that no deities exist, and may go further and claim that the existence of certain deities is logically impossible.

While the terms weak and strong are relatively recent, the concepts they represent have been in use for some time. In earlier philosophical publications, the terms negative atheism and positive atheism were more common.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athiest

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Do they passively practice it? For whatever you define as non-actively, that is.

Hmm... I guess I'd say I was thinking that they self-identify as X but that is the extent of their involvement.

areligious is the word I would use. even though I have no real belief in god ( or even nonbelief) , i have views of the world that can be seen as spiritual - so i tend to use the word areligious.

ION , a huge tree limb just fell off the tree at the end of the driveway. it is half blocking my driveway. and it broke one of my garbage bins.

Huh. Guess I'm a weak atheist.

Oh yeah, there's a proud identification.