Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Hi Fay!
I discussed my issues with VM at the end of the season in that thread. Mostly I adore the characters and the snappy dialogue. But really it's further along the bleak curve than I like. Both seasons upset me. There is so much good that I will come back for S3, but I hope like hell that the underlying issues don't involve rape or child abuse. That just isn't so much entertaining for me.
Hi Fay! I'm glad you're enjoying VM and SPN. I posted a couple of fic links in the fanfic thread for the latter.
One of the reasons I like VM is that it gives people so much to discuss. I lent my S1 dvds to a coworker just so I could have someone at work to burble on about the show with.
I am balancing my checkbook for the last month. This is not fun. Some might even call it depressing.
BUT, I am avoiding packing, so there's that!
Oh, shit. That was worse than I thought. I should have packed boxes.
Intresting. Hmm.
Did you think that these themes were used gratuitously, Laura? Or was it simply that you'd rather not have them crop up?
Reading through some of the sites associated with Girl Wonder, I was perusing Girls Read Comics and they're Pissed (and mentally adding 'Off' at the end, rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation), and I need some help pinpointing this bit of BtVS canon:
Buffy Summers - how I loathe what was done to this character - ended up forcing oral sex on a male character over his repeated verbal objections. To a musical sting. The writers, I am fairly certain, did not actually realise they had written a rape, particularly as this same character later attempted to rape Buffy, which was not treated as at all amusing.
To which episode is she referring?
I would assume Doublemeat.
I think she's referring to Gone.
I also don't agree with her interpretation of the text there. (Or her interpretation of BoP 68, for that matter, but variety is the spice of life and blogging.)
rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation
Dude, have you met us?
... and I was trying to remember if it was Gone, Doublemeat, or Dead Things. But my point before I gave up and figured it'd be a crosspost anyway was going to be that she was conflating various bits of S6 (QED), and landing in a bit of the old "she raped him too, so she's as bad as he is!" pseudo-canon of the (ptui!) Spuffy wars. If anything, the point for me was always in the way things headed out-of-controlwards in very slippery steps, not any easily pinpointed moment of "girl hero gone bad".
t hugs S6 close in all its dark messy painful glory