Oh, shit. That was worse than I thought. I should have packed boxes.
Early: Where'd she go? Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's not incorporeally possessing a space ship. Don't look at me.
'Objects In Space'
Spike's Bitches 31: We're Motivated Go-getters.
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
vw bug - Jul 24, 2006 5:56:58 am PDT #5261 of 10001
Mostly lurking...
Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:27:33 am PDT #5262 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Intresting. Hmm.
Did you think that these themes were used gratuitously, Laura? Or was it simply that you'd rather not have them crop up?
Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:31:09 am PDT #5263 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Reading through some of the sites associated with Girl Wonder, I was perusing Girls Read Comics and they're Pissed (and mentally adding 'Off' at the end, rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation), and I need some help pinpointing this bit of BtVS canon:
Buffy Summers - how I loathe what was done to this character - ended up forcing oral sex on a male character over his repeated verbal objections. To a musical sting. The writers, I am fairly certain, did not actually realise they had written a rape, particularly as this same character later attempted to rape Buffy, which was not treated as at all amusing.
To which episode is she referring?
Tom Scola - Jul 24, 2006 6:34:33 am PDT #5264 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
I would assume Doublemeat.
P.M. Marc - Jul 24, 2006 6:42:34 am PDT #5265 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I think she's referring to Gone.
I also don't agree with her interpretation of the text there. (Or her interpretation of BoP 68, for that matter, but variety is the spice of life and blogging.)
amych - Jul 24, 2006 6:43:55 am PDT #5266 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation
Dude, have you met us?
amych - Jul 24, 2006 6:51:37 am PDT #5267 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
... and I was trying to remember if it was Gone, Doublemeat, or Dead Things. But my point before I gave up and figured it'd be a crosspost anyway was going to be that she was conflating various bits of S6 (QED), and landing in a bit of the old "she raped him too, so she's as bad as he is!" pseudo-canon of the (ptui!) Spuffy wars. If anything, the point for me was always in the way things headed out-of-controlwards in very slippery steps, not any easily pinpointed moment of "girl hero gone bad".
t hugs S6 close in all its dark messy painful glory
Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:54:09 am PDT #5268 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Dude, have you met us?
snorts
Well, yeah, 'kay, point taken. Less punchy as a title for a feminist blog, though, if you give it the UK interpretation.
Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:57:02 am PDT #5269 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
...I'm going to have to go and refer to the transcripts, I guess, because I can't think when Buffy forced Spike into oral sex over his verbal objections. (Haven't seen Season 6 in ages.)
I remember the scene where she beat the living crap out of him - I mean, I know that this is what she does a lot of the time, but in the Buffy-gets-framed-for-murder episode there was a really very brutal and vicious Buffy-beats-up-Spike scene, iirc. But that's obviously not what she's thinking about, so - don't know. Huh.
Polter-Cow - Jul 24, 2006 7:21:11 am PDT #5270 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I think she's referring to Gone.
Yeah, that's what I think too. Spike looks down and says something like, "That's just not fair."
I can't think when Buffy forced Spike into oral sex over his verbal objections.
It's not rape if she's invisible! Mostly, I didn't see much "forcing" and "verbal objections" in that scene. Maybe a little, but the punchline, as it was, had Spike pretty much accepting the blowjob.
I am tired and sleepy. But I have hot chocolate.