Willow: Were there dolphins? Tara: Yes. Many dolphins at the pound. Willow: Was there a camel? Tara: There was the front of a camel. A half-camel.

'Selfless'


Spike's Bitches 31: We're Motivated Go-getters.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:31:09 am PDT #5263 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Reading through some of the sites associated with Girl Wonder, I was perusing Girls Read Comics and they're Pissed (and mentally adding 'Off' at the end, rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation), and I need some help pinpointing this bit of BtVS canon:

Buffy Summers - how I loathe what was done to this character - ended up forcing oral sex on a male character over his repeated verbal objections. To a musical sting. The writers, I am fairly certain, did not actually realise they had written a rape, particularly as this same character later attempted to rape Buffy, which was not treated as at all amusing.

To which episode is she referring?


Tom Scola - Jul 24, 2006 6:34:33 am PDT #5264 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I would assume Doublemeat.


P.M. Marc - Jul 24, 2006 6:42:34 am PDT #5265 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think she's referring to Gone.

I also don't agree with her interpretation of the text there. (Or her interpretation of BoP 68, for that matter, but variety is the spice of life and blogging.)


amych - Jul 24, 2006 6:43:55 am PDT #5266 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

rather than visualising lots of drunken comic-appreciation

Dude, have you met us?


amych - Jul 24, 2006 6:51:37 am PDT #5267 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

... and I was trying to remember if it was Gone, Doublemeat, or Dead Things. But my point before I gave up and figured it'd be a crosspost anyway was going to be that she was conflating various bits of S6 (QED), and landing in a bit of the old "she raped him too, so she's as bad as he is!" pseudo-canon of the (ptui!) Spuffy wars. If anything, the point for me was always in the way things headed out-of-controlwards in very slippery steps, not any easily pinpointed moment of "girl hero gone bad".

t hugs S6 close in all its dark messy painful glory


Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:54:09 am PDT #5268 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Dude, have you met us?

snorts

Well, yeah, 'kay, point taken. Less punchy as a title for a feminist blog, though, if you give it the UK interpretation.


Fay - Jul 24, 2006 6:57:02 am PDT #5269 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

...I'm going to have to go and refer to the transcripts, I guess, because I can't think when Buffy forced Spike into oral sex over his verbal objections. (Haven't seen Season 6 in ages.)

I remember the scene where she beat the living crap out of him - I mean, I know that this is what she does a lot of the time, but in the Buffy-gets-framed-for-murder episode there was a really very brutal and vicious Buffy-beats-up-Spike scene, iirc. But that's obviously not what she's thinking about, so - don't know. Huh.


Polter-Cow - Jul 24, 2006 7:21:11 am PDT #5270 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I think she's referring to Gone.

Yeah, that's what I think too. Spike looks down and says something like, "That's just not fair."

I can't think when Buffy forced Spike into oral sex over his verbal objections.

It's not rape if she's invisible! Mostly, I didn't see much "forcing" and "verbal objections" in that scene. Maybe a little, but the punchline, as it was, had Spike pretty much accepting the blowjob.

I am tired and sleepy. But I have hot chocolate.


sumi - Jul 24, 2006 7:26:00 am PDT #5271 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

But what is the "musical sting" comment all about? I wondered whether she meant "musical setting" and had somehow inserted a new scene into OMWF.


DavidS - Jul 24, 2006 7:29:04 am PDT #5272 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But what is the "musical sting" comment all about?

I think it's just a reference to the underscore which swelled (unsurprisingly under the circumstances) or musically indicated it was a comic moment.