I meant I am full of awe that you and they have survived this long!
heh. it was touch and go for while during my teenage years.
I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.
Willow ,'Storyteller'
Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Vortex - Jul 26, 2006 10:34:13 am PDT #8876 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Laura - Jul 26, 2006 11:15:26 am PDT #8877 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.
"PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD!!"
Hee.
Yeah, such a surprise that Andrea Yates was/is insane. Such a tragedy.
Aims - Jul 26, 2006 11:18:31 am PDT #8878 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
No doubt in my mind she was bat-shit craxy, but that doesn't excuse her, and it sure as shit doesn't make her not guilty, even by reason of insanity.
I'm completely and unreasonably angry about this verdict, and I feel like the insanity plea should be completely done away with. There are plenty of bat-shit craxy people (here) that manage to NOT DROWN THEIR CHILDREN.
goes back to angry corner so as not to infect others with it.
erikaj - Jul 26, 2006 11:23:57 am PDT #8879 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!
But if she's in the hospital...a state mental ward, she's not getting away with anything. Seriously.
Trudy Booth - Jul 26, 2006 11:24:34 am PDT #8880 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Her (now ex) husband put up the fight for the insanity ruling. From what I've read she'll be locked up forever in a hospital as opposed to a prison.
Nutty - Jul 26, 2006 11:24:34 am PDT #8881 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Well, FWIW, there are lots of people who don't fit any standard definition of insane who do awful things to their children, up to and including murder. Every day, and usually don't go to prison for it.
The whole point of an insanity plea is "if I had been in my right mind, I wouln'da done it." (The legal definition of insane is a lack of ability to discern right from wrong.) So, not really an excuse so much as a description of circumstances. Also, IIRC, the worst part of that whole story was that her husband knew she was coming apart at the seams and discouraged her from seeking help for it.
Cashmere - Jul 26, 2006 11:30:05 am PDT #8882 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.
Not only that, she'd had post-partum psychosis with each of their kids. It got worse every time and they continued to have more children. She was on and off of medication and her husband left her alone with their children when he KNEW she was off her meds and batshit crazy.
She's not walking around free. Go visit a state mental hospital. It's worse than prison, seriously. She needs to be in a mental hospital because she's mentally ill.
Aims - Jul 26, 2006 11:32:46 am PDT #8883 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
But if she's in the hospital...a state mental ward, she's not getting away with anything. Seriously.
I know. But...it feels like she is. And I worry that one day, after awhile of being on her meds, that she'll be released.
Well, FWIW, there are lots of people who don't fit any standard definition of insane who do awful things to their children, up to and including murder. Every day, and usually don't go to prison for it.
And this makes me just as angry.
the worst part of that whole story was that her husband knew she was coming apart at the seams and discouraged her from seeking help for it.
He also encouraged her to have Mary, the youngest, after her shrink told them that if she had another child, she'd go back to being psychotic.
Personally, I think he should have been charged with 2nd degree murder because of gross negligence.
The legal definition of insane is a lack of ability to discern right from wrong.
Right, but still? Doesn't make it any better for me. If you couldn't tell once, who's to say you won't be able to tell the difference again?
Aims - Jul 26, 2006 11:33:57 am PDT #8884 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Go visit a state mental hospital. It's worse than prison, seriously.
I know they are. I've been. But she could be released.
She needs to be in a mental hospital because she's mentally ill.
I agree, but she should not ever have the chance of leaving. Ever.
Typo Boy - Jul 26, 2006 11:34:48 am PDT #8885 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
People also get out of prisons.