And remember, if you hurt her, I will beat you to death with a shovel.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'

Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.

askye - Jun 01, 2006 11:30:20 am PDT #8 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

I tried to post this but the thread rolled over....

The teacher, L, said these things in class as part of our health lesson (actually it was Child Development). We were watching Nova's Miracle of Life and there's a part where it talks about arousal.

At this point she stops the tape and tells the class that when men get aroused they have to have sex to "relieve" themselves. And that anything can arose a male no matter how little, even if a woman isn't aware of this. Because of this arousal men rape women. We were all shocked and asked questions.

"If a woman walks down the street in a parka and is grabbed and raped is it her fault?" Yes. "If a woman isn't doing anything or is on a date and a guy rapes her..." Yes. Because it can be the way she smells or looks or anything, etc. "What about a child, if a child is raped is it the child's fault." And while she didn't come out and say Yes, she heavily implied that yes it is the child's fault. It's not something concious that a child or a woman does, but it's still their fault.

The next day I went to the principal's office to talk to her about that.

beth b - Jun 01, 2006 11:32:48 am PDT #9 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Thanks for the clarification Cindy. I am reading thru ick which makes me a bit thick

but this

The Anti-Dominionists are fast approaching Tinfoil hat time

confused me. As a nonreligious person I find anybody's idea that they have to fix things so everyone believes what they believe, terrifying.

Fred Pete - Jun 01, 2006 11:33:23 am PDT #10 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

First Ten?

(ETA: YES! Just in time to leave for the evening....)

Tom Scola - Jun 01, 2006 11:35:28 am PDT #11 of 10002
Like a pinch on the neck from Mr Spock

The Tick (animated) Season One will be relased on August 29.


JZ - Jun 01, 2006 11:35:44 am PDT #12 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Full disclosure, and please don't hate me, Sparky: I got a sex ed teacher sacked from teaching sex ed (he stayed on as a math teacher, however) for endless instances of totally wrongheaded lectures that fed right into every smug assumption the 14-year-old boys had about the world and sex and women, and that made most of the 14-year-old girls feel like shit. He'd talk at length about the physical proportions of his ideal woman, write them on the blackboard, and include them in quizzes; give lectures about how incomprehensible it was that handsome men could let themselves be roped into liaisons or marriages with homely women; bring in a pair of guest speakers from a local GLBT group (though in 1985 I think it may have been just GL), then spend the entire next class talking about how just because the school expected him to let them talk didn't mean he or we had to think anything they said was right or moral; etc., etc., etc.

He also gave lectures, and quizzes, on Greek mythology, his own personal history, and the rules and procedures of the Prison Parole Board of Louisiana, and also kept a running tally of bonus points for extra-clever students (invariably boys). His opinions were not just wrong, they were shitty, and counterproductive to the stated aims of the class, and they made his female students, who were mostly too young and insecure to challenge him, feel like crap. He had every right to his opinions, but I still don't feel the least bit bad about preventing him from using taxpayer money to fund his whack-ass bully pulpit.

The only thing that pissed me off more than him, really, was that after a semester and a half of everyone I knew complaining and hating him and crying, when I finally sat down and wrote a letter to the principal detailing incidents and naming students who could corroborate what he'd said, not one of them had the courage to co-sign the letter with me, and I got a public dressing-down in class that left me in tears with everyone glad I'd done it but everyone too fucking chickenshit to stand there with me.

Huh. I can't imagine why I'm less than enthusiastic about going to my 20th reunion.

Dana - Jun 01, 2006 11:36:37 am PDT #13 of 10002
If dreams were thunder // And lightning was desire // This old house would've burned down // A long time ago -- John Prine

He'd talk at length about the physical proportions of his ideal woman, write them on the blackboard, and include them in quizzes


Sparky1 - Jun 01, 2006 11:37:49 am PDT #14 of 10002
Librarian Warlord

But then, I suppose that you could argue that my telling girls to use protection endangers their mortal soul, so I guess you have a point. But, it's still wrong of her.

Pretty much what I'm trying to say. I want to be free to tell students what I think, I have to keep the floor open for other beliefs and hone my advocacy skills.

And askye, your going to the principal and asking questions is exactly what should happen -- hear something you don't like? ask questions, form your own opinions and start talking about those.

askye - Jun 01, 2006 11:39:07 am PDT #15 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

JZ, that's way worse than my teacher!

But I had the same thing happen with classmates who said they were with me and then turned around and said I'd "Betrayed" the teacher. The little shits. It was an eye opening experience and I lost a lot of respect for some "good" (both academically and I thought morally) students.

beth b - Jun 01, 2006 11:39:14 am PDT #16 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

hard for a middle schooler to do.

But I am glad to say I never had a teacher quite as bad as some of you .

Trudy Booth - Jun 01, 2006 11:43:06 am PDT #17 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

But it wasn't just opinion and belief, it was factually wrong. It would be like re-writing the times tables charts. How many kids would think to ask? Why should they have to? Why should it be ok for a teacher to do that in the first place?