I've been out of the abbey two days, I've beaten a lawman senseless, I've fallen in with criminals. I watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect. And I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong.

Book ,'Serenity'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2006 9:13:55 am PDT #7260 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

(4) Does Bush commonly feel-up male heads of state?

You've seen the picks of him and the Saudi king (or whomever it was) right?

I used that argument with Chatty!co-worker -- "Does Bush grope male heads of state?" -- and his reply was "We don't know that he *doesn't.*" And he was serious. I said, "Well, there's never been any news coverage of him groping male heads of state," and Chatty said "That still doesn't mean that Bush doesn't do it."

He's the ultimate relativist, and it drives me utterly utterly batshit.


Tom Scola - Jul 18, 2006 9:14:02 am PDT #7261 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Sexual or not, still really inappropriate.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 18, 2006 9:14:34 am PDT #7262 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

(4) Does Bush commonly feel-up male heads of state?

Aside from holding hands or receiving belly kisses?


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2006 9:15:16 am PDT #7263 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's condescending and overly familiar, from what I can tell. And, yeah, unlikely to do that to a guy.

It seems I left my favourite swimsuit in Jamaica.

And that my Powerbook power supply is dead.


brenda m - Jul 18, 2006 9:17:30 am PDT #7264 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Question(s): (1) Do you think that Bush's grope-y gropiness was sexual in any way? (2) Do you think that, in general, adult men in Western society are aware of the connotations of touching women? (3) How was my statement sexist?

I'm not sure I'd call it sexual, exactly (though that could be because my mind runs screaming away from the concept, with this man involved), thought it could be there, for sure.

Definitely a dominance behavior*, though, in a very gendered way.

And I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

*spent way too much time talking about dog training recently


Gudanov - Jul 18, 2006 9:18:35 am PDT #7265 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

"We don't know that he *doesn't.*" And he was serious. I said, "Well, there's never been any news coverage of him groping male heads of state," and Chatty said "That still doesn't mean that Bush doesn't do it."

He's got a point, for that matter we don't really know that Bush doesn't slaughter puppies for fun. We only suspect that he doesn't.


Jessica - Jul 18, 2006 9:21:00 am PDT #7266 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

We only suspect that he doesn't.

We do?

[edit: Okay, having now looked at this series of stills, I'm gonna have to side with Team Inappropriately Gendered Touching. I don't know that I'd call it "sexual" but I'd definitely call it "sexist."]


Frankenbuddha - Jul 18, 2006 9:24:04 am PDT #7267 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

He's got a point, for that matter we don't really know that Bush doesn't slaughter puppies for fun. We only suspect that he doesn't.

That sounds more like Cheney anyway. Or Karl Rove.


brenda m - Jul 18, 2006 9:25:42 am PDT #7268 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

That sounds more like Cheney anyway. Or Karl Rove.

Rove might do it for fun. Cheney probably does it for sustenance. Bush would have some religious hoo-ha to explain it.

Ooh, Pink's Dear Mr. President just popped up on the iTunes.


Jessica - Jul 18, 2006 9:26:28 am PDT #7269 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Teppy, I recommend directing Chatty McClueless to this post at Alternet.