Zoe: Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity? Wash: You're pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.

'War Stories'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Volans - Jun 11, 2006 8:34:37 am PDT #1645 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Random thoughts about art/culture and society, with no particular thesis:

Culture is considered a vocation in our society, so doing something creative/cultural/artistic that doesn't net you money is often seen as a waste of time, at worst, or a hobby, at best, rather than a necessary survival element. And that's if you are lucky enough to have the time and the means to have a hobby. When we lived in the States I barely even cooked, spending all my waking hours in a cube farm.

Not to be all Rousseau, but societies at the basic food/shelter level without First World influences seem to always include art. The bowls to store food, the walls of the houses, the skin or clothing decorations. There's an impetus, a la Georgia O'Keeffe, to "fill the space beautifully." Even really poor cultures (I'm thinking Yemen and Bolivia here, so I'm generalizing) with lots of unfortunate external FW influences manage to occasionally work art into the life of the society.

What I don't get is the hatred and fear of art. When the Taliban blew up those Buddha statues, one of my cow-orkers said, "What's the big deal? It was just art." Years later, and I still haven't thought of a good response...that point of view is just too foreign to me. Our own culture (which my cow-orker is a product of) has some of this element also, with spasms of censoring books, black-balling actors, etc.


Jars - Jun 11, 2006 8:50:57 am PDT #1646 of 10002

but societies at the basic food/shelter level without First World influences seem to always include art.

Often what we see as 'art' in these societies though, would be an utterly alien concept to those creating it. The decoration often serves a purpose - whether religious, or social.

I remember one example of an African tribe where the gourds were decorated by women. Women were nearly always married in from another tribe and were seen as lower status because of it. They had to adopt their husband's style of decoration and jewellery on everything but the gourds, which they decorated in their own family's style. However, because the husbands didn't recongnise the decoration, they would often paint them with the tribal markings of the young men of the tribe that they'd been having dalliances with.


Allyson - Jun 11, 2006 8:54:40 am PDT #1647 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Okay, so I made little gift bags for first day of shooting for Tim and John. I went ten dollars over budget because I forgot to add in the cost of the gift bags. Darn.

But! I got red giftbags with black and white checkered tissue paper just like a race checkered flag. I decorated the outside of them with these little mini hotwheels cars. Inside each is a bottle of Excedrin Tension Headache, chapstick, sunscreen (SPF 30), a water gun, a Mountain Dew energy drink, and little key chains that have cars that shoot across the floor when you push a button.

Everything one needs to run a show, I think.


Jessica - Jun 11, 2006 9:00:12 am PDT #1648 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Philosophically, I'm inclined to agree that art (even bad art/pop art) is a vital component of a functioning human society.

On a practical level, however, I often find myself getting through stressful workdays by reminding myself that the absolute worst case scenario for me fucking up at my job is that VH1 might only have 39 Least Metal Moments to broadcast.


Theodosia - Jun 11, 2006 11:05:18 am PDT #1649 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Heh. My boss used to try to cheer us up with the reminder that at least our jobs don't involve clubbing baby seals.

Me, I'm feeling sorry for myself a little because Chumley got overexcited about a cat he could see out in our backyard, and bit my ring finger deep enough to draw blood. And I've finding out now that it hurts to type, though at least you can pick up things and so on without using your ring finger....


Sophia Brooks - Jun 11, 2006 11:11:33 am PDT #1650 of 10002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Theo- I hate to say this, but REALLY make sure you clean it out. As I painfully learned cat bites are Not Fun. Apparently, their saliva contains a bacteria called Pasteurella, which is what causes the problem.


Jesse - Jun 11, 2006 12:07:46 pm PDT #1651 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Learn from Sophia's example, Theo!!

Allyson, that sounds really really cute.

quilted eelgrass

sara, what on earth is this??


Topic!Cindy - Jun 11, 2006 12:12:37 pm PDT #1652 of 10002
What is even happening?

Theo, please just go to the E.R. or medical walk-in unit.

Sophia! How are you doing? Did you end up being allergic to that anti-biotic? How's everything healing, now?


msbelle - Jun 11, 2006 12:24:17 pm PDT #1653 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

3 loads of laundry are in and some handwashing is in the sink. YAY clean clothes. sadly, it is not all of the laundry, but it is enough for this weekend.


Strega - Jun 11, 2006 12:48:40 pm PDT #1654 of 10002

Oh, did "useful" mean "at a social level"? I was thinking in more individual terms. That does help me understand some of the earlier posts better, I think.

societies at the basic food/shelter level without First World influences seem to always include art. The bowls to store food, the walls of the houses, the skin or clothing decorations.
Don't our societies do that, too? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the distinction you're making. I don't think anyone here is posting from inside a stainless steel box. My walls are painted, my dishes have a design, and my clothes and makeup certainly aren't chosen purely for functionality.

It's not hand-crafted, individualized art, and it is so ubiquitous that it's easy to forget it's there. But even mass-produced, low-quality art is still art.