...because God knows you need some satisfaction in life besides shagging Captain Cardboard! And I never really liked you anyway. And you have stupid hair!

Spike ,'Selfless'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Jun 10, 2006 5:11:45 pm PDT #1628 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Ah, this is the "is a poem valuable if no one ever reads it?" discussion.

t sits back to watch

Actually, I have to say I'm with David. Art is valuable--even bad art. Not just for the, um, recipients, and the society at large, but for the creator. Pre-industrialization, I think there were more people living ordinary lives who were creators, even if they didn't think of themselves as artists. Artisans and crafts people, and women making quilts, and people singing rounds while shucking corn or putting up the hay.

Art or creativity is an engagement with the world (and often with the community), even if it's not as immediately useful as, say, planting a garden or programming code. It's good for the doer, and I think every poem or painting, no matter how bad, helps stave off the heat death of the universe.


ChiKat - Jun 10, 2006 8:17:50 pm PDT #1629 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Speaking of bad art...

It's one thing to do it to finance Showboat or Long Day's Journey Into Night. But No, No Nanette?

I did No, No, Nanette in high school. It's not really bad, it's a cute little show, but not amazing. Tea for Two, I Want to be Happy, and my personal fav, Where Have My Hubby Gone Blues.


Volans - Jun 10, 2006 9:26:31 pm PDT #1630 of 10002
move out and draw fire

Art or creativity is an engagement with the world (and often with the community), even if it's not as immediately useful as, say, planting a garden or programming code.

Both of which can be art too.

It's good for the doer, and I think every poem or painting, no matter how bad, helps stave off the heat death of the universe.

Absolutely.

Art is not a luxury. Even in subsistence societies people find a way to include art in their lives. Our society is tough, because frequently only the extremely affluent or the extremely poor can afford to do art.


Consuela - Jun 10, 2006 10:25:00 pm PDT #1631 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Both of which can be art too.

Oh, no question. But they're evidently useful to the world in a way that, say, writing poetry (or, say, fanfiction) isn't.

Our society is tough, because frequently only the extremely affluent or the extremely poor can afford to do art.

Or art is only valued when it's part of the market economy. Which is too bad.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 11, 2006 12:50:41 am PDT #1632 of 10002
What is even happening?

Even in subsistence societies people find a way to include art in their lives.
And Raq provides what is probably closest to "proof" that art is useful.

Our society is tough, because frequently only the extremely affluent or the extremely poor can afford to do art.

Raq, do you mean the above in a for-a-living sense?


msbelle - Jun 11, 2006 2:57:19 am PDT #1633 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ah, a good 8 ours of sleep does the body right. Looks like it is going to be a gorgeous day here.


Lee - Jun 11, 2006 4:34:05 am PDT #1634 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I, on the other hand, don't think my brain should be the thing to decide how much sleep I get any more, and it looks overcast here.

Fun day planned though, so that's good.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2006 5:01:52 am PDT #1635 of 10002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I think a lot of people don't do art because they don't think they're "any good" at it. The perception in this culture is that if you can't be really great (in others' opinions) at something, you shouldn't bother.


Scrappy - Jun 11, 2006 5:12:12 am PDT #1636 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Good morning! I had a REALLY hard time sleeping last night. It's for a good reason, though. Last night we decided to take a week's vacation in Mexico for my 50th birthday. We love it there and used to go all the time but haven't had the money in a while. We haven't had a vacation that was just us in 6 years, so I am very excited. We used to go to Isla Mujeres, a little island off of Cancun, which was much less touristy and more relaxed than Cancun (I don't think that's true anymore). It had been a fishing village for many years and there was a small downtown and gorgeous beaches. Like most vacationing Buffistas, we mainly like to slounge by the ocean and read, snorkel, and amble around the streets looking for interesting shops or cafes. We don't really "party" so clubs are not a big interest. I don't know anything about the Pacific Ocean side of Mexico--anyone have any recommendations?


Lee - Jun 11, 2006 5:21:19 am PDT #1637 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Robin, that sounds great!

Are you thinking of something in the Mexican Riveria area? I think Ixtapa isn't as built up as Puerto Vallarta or Mazatlan, and there should smaller towns/destinations that would be more secluded/less touristy.