You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Natter 45: Smooth as Billy Dee Williams.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Jun 10, 2006 10:25:00 pm PDT #1631 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Both of which can be art too.

Oh, no question. But they're evidently useful to the world in a way that, say, writing poetry (or, say, fanfiction) isn't.

Our society is tough, because frequently only the extremely affluent or the extremely poor can afford to do art.

Or art is only valued when it's part of the market economy. Which is too bad.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 11, 2006 12:50:41 am PDT #1632 of 10002
What is even happening?

Even in subsistence societies people find a way to include art in their lives.
And Raq provides what is probably closest to "proof" that art is useful.

Our society is tough, because frequently only the extremely affluent or the extremely poor can afford to do art.

Raq, do you mean the above in a for-a-living sense?


msbelle - Jun 11, 2006 2:57:19 am PDT #1633 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ah, a good 8 ours of sleep does the body right. Looks like it is going to be a gorgeous day here.


Lee - Jun 11, 2006 4:34:05 am PDT #1634 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I, on the other hand, don't think my brain should be the thing to decide how much sleep I get any more, and it looks overcast here.

Fun day planned though, so that's good.


Zenkitty - Jun 11, 2006 5:01:52 am PDT #1635 of 10002
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I think a lot of people don't do art because they don't think they're "any good" at it. The perception in this culture is that if you can't be really great (in others' opinions) at something, you shouldn't bother.


Scrappy - Jun 11, 2006 5:12:12 am PDT #1636 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Good morning! I had a REALLY hard time sleeping last night. It's for a good reason, though. Last night we decided to take a week's vacation in Mexico for my 50th birthday. We love it there and used to go all the time but haven't had the money in a while. We haven't had a vacation that was just us in 6 years, so I am very excited. We used to go to Isla Mujeres, a little island off of Cancun, which was much less touristy and more relaxed than Cancun (I don't think that's true anymore). It had been a fishing village for many years and there was a small downtown and gorgeous beaches. Like most vacationing Buffistas, we mainly like to slounge by the ocean and read, snorkel, and amble around the streets looking for interesting shops or cafes. We don't really "party" so clubs are not a big interest. I don't know anything about the Pacific Ocean side of Mexico--anyone have any recommendations?


Lee - Jun 11, 2006 5:21:19 am PDT #1637 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Robin, that sounds great!

Are you thinking of something in the Mexican Riveria area? I think Ixtapa isn't as built up as Puerto Vallarta or Mazatlan, and there should smaller towns/destinations that would be more secluded/less touristy.


Jesse - Jun 11, 2006 5:50:00 am PDT #1638 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ooh, Robin reminds me of the little kid in one of my favorite commercials: "We're too excited to sleep!"

I am jealous, but am trying to use this as inspiration for my goal of becoming the kind of person who takes great vacations. This is the first job I've ever had where I've gotten enough time off to do it and there's actually a culture of taking vacations.


Scrappy - Jun 11, 2006 5:58:21 am PDT #1639 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Yes indeed, Perkins, the Mexican Riviera. We've ruled out Puerto Vallarta and Acapulco. Ixtapa looks good, and we are considering Mazatlan, because they have some interesting historical stuff there--also my dad had his first heart attack there and they literally saved his life at the hospital and treated my mother wondefully while he was recovering, so I have a sentimental attachment to the place.


Lee - Jun 11, 2006 6:20:49 am PDT #1640 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Both of those sound fabulous, Robin.