But you don't like being held! I choose to translate that request as "bring me comforting cigs and coffee," which, ftr, I would do.

Fwiw, I think it's a great idea.

Yeah, I was going to reply over there.

Then I got ahold of myself and decided not to engage. People aren't going to listen. But outside of fandom strongholds? I still say: P.R. misstep. Allyson's idea would be key to salvaging it, but it's getting derailed and that is sad-making, to me.

I told Amy I would write The Showrunners Guide to Fan Campaigns for Popgurls.

Because, seriously, yo.

An ad in TVGuide costs 80k. At least, that's how much it cost like four years ago.

And the idea that showrunners don't fart money is making my head spin.

Stay here. We're sane. Mostly.

Or were the same kind of crazy that you are, Allyson.

It would make a nice distinction between millionaire showrunners and the rank-and-file who really need the new contract. It's got to make it harder when the best spokepeople are the ones suffering the least.

An ad in TVGuide costs 80k. At least, that's how much it cost like four years ago.

Aha. That was me asking, so cheers. There goes that idea, then. Although I still think, retrospectively, a Variety advert ain't going to say anything people don't already know. Unless I'm wrong.

When one of your spokespeople is the producer of Lost... No, I'm not mean enough to finish this sentence.

I think there's a misunderstanding between showrunners' pay and staff writers' pay. Showrunners make millions.

And the fans are running over the cliff like lemmings. Shit, I almost went over with them. And then the meds kicked in.

Allyson, Polgara, the bags were beautiful (and Kristen - I loved your picture! I loved it that I could tell not only that it was you, and what a lovely scarf you were wearing, but also I could totally see, coat and lovely scarf and all, that you definitely lost some weight, compared to other pictures of you I saw recently). Go, all of you!

I think the entire point of doing it through UH was to have a named thing behind it, so people did go over the cliff like lemmings. I doubt many of them will die, though.

A certain amount of those people posting on Whedonesque are from the UK, and from their point of view, showrunners don't make millions. Because they don't here. Obviously, though, the context is the Writers Guild of America, so it's kinda a mute point, but I think it's part of the problem.

And the fans are running over the cliff like lemmings.

I'm not sure what cliff you're referring to. (Unless, as Kevin assumes, you mean the pencil campaign people were gung ho about in the first place.)

When one of your spokespeople is the producer of Lost... No, I'm not mean enough to finish this sentence.

Ain't nothing wrong with Lindelof.