Willow: Yikes. Imagine the things...Buffy: No! Stop imagining! All of you! Xander: Already got the visual.

'Dirty Girls'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 5:51:26 am PDT #4721 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

You could argue that all the characters in Angel -- bar Angel himself -- had no motivating purpose.


SailAweigh - Mar 18, 2007 5:52:04 am PDT #4722 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I loved Amy Acker as both Fred and Illyria, but the characters never really stood out as main characters to drive an episode. Both of them were there to provide contrast for the main characters and show us Wes/Gunn/Angel's reponse to her to explicate their motivations, not hers. I would have liked to see her more in a role like Kate's in season 1 and 2, a character whose life intersects theirs at times, but not every episode. Once they rescued her from Pylea they should have sent her back to university and had the AI crew consulting with her on demon dimensions and the occult occasionally, but not every episode. There still could have been romance with Gunn/Wes, there could have been more rescuing of the damsel in distress, etc. It would have given her more agency to be independent of the crew, rather than someone who become subsumed by the larger group and ended up being rather forgettable.


Jon B. - Mar 18, 2007 6:27:30 am PDT #4723 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I thought that you whitefonted in the thread until the weekend after release but that you had to whitefont everywhere else like you do for tv shows. Not so?

You're right, Sumi.

Note to self: Do not post before breakfast.


Strega - Mar 18, 2007 6:54:31 am PDT #4724 of 10001

You could argue that all the characters in Angel -- bar Angel himself -- had no motivating purpose.
You could, but I don't think it's true. Is it generally hard to answer "What does this character want?" for Cordelia, or Wesley, or Gunn, or Connor?


Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 7:32:42 am PDT #4725 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Cordy had a purpose at first, but towards the end I had no real idea what she wanted. Wes and Gunn both wanted Fred, except didn't, except did. Connor.. I'm not sure.

Of course, I've not seen the episodes in any kind of order for years, so it's quite possibly I'm just being dim.


brenda m - Mar 18, 2007 7:39:00 am PDT #4726 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Yeah, Fred didn't so much have a purpose as have nowhere else to be.

I loved Illyria, but mostly for what she showed us of Wes. And Lilah did that better.


Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 7:54:30 am PDT #4727 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

The Lilah/Wes thing was genius. Or at least, very good TV. brenda speakuths the truth.

Here's another truth: there should be 900% more Alexis Denisof on TV.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 18, 2007 9:12:18 am PDT #4728 of 10001
What is even happening?

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.
Oh, it seems I remembered the words, but not so much the order. Sorry about that, Jackal. Thanks, Jon. At least it fleshes out the same for today.


libkitty - Mar 18, 2007 11:31:52 am PDT #4729 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I never took to Fred...

Cindy said what I was trying to say, only much, much better. All of it. Not taking to the character, feeling manipulated in a bad way at her death, appreciating Amy Acker's acting.

Amy Acker is So Very Cute

I've never really gotten this. I mean, she certainly has had her moments; I've seen some lovely photos. But overall, while I appreciated AA's acting, if I were choosing an actress for eye candy, it wouldn't be she. I have found the same thing with others that many have assured me are incredibly attractive, so I've decided it's a quirk of me.

Now Gina Torres, or even CC before St. Cordy...wow.


Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 11:39:08 am PDT #4730 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Hah. Not finding the pretty with CC or Gina myself. I think it's all* in the smile for me.

  • Well, not all.