Sorry about the lack of white-font. Didn't know about comic spoiler rules.
Question: Will hiding in a cavern with stockpiled chocolate goods be any part of this plan?
Xander ,'Get It Done'
The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Jackal - Mar 18, 2007 5:09:56 am PDT #4719 of 10001
It's not that I'm the only one, it's that I'm the honest one.
Strega - Mar 18, 2007 5:35:14 am PDT #4720 of 10001
I still think that Illyria happened because 1) Fred was never a clearly drawn character; 2) but they liked Acker, understandably; 3) plus she was the only woman in the cast; so 4) they needed to turn her into a different character.
Unfortunately, they turned her into a character who was more clearly defined, but had no motivating purpose. Sorta like Lorne.
Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 5:51:26 am PDT #4721 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
You could argue that all the characters in Angel -- bar Angel himself -- had no motivating purpose.
SailAweigh - Mar 18, 2007 5:52:04 am PDT #4722 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
I loved Amy Acker as both Fred and Illyria, but the characters never really stood out as main characters to drive an episode. Both of them were there to provide contrast for the main characters and show us Wes/Gunn/Angel's reponse to her to explicate their motivations, not hers. I would have liked to see her more in a role like Kate's in season 1 and 2, a character whose life intersects theirs at times, but not every episode. Once they rescued her from Pylea they should have sent her back to university and had the AI crew consulting with her on demon dimensions and the occult occasionally, but not every episode. There still could have been romance with Gunn/Wes, there could have been more rescuing of the damsel in distress, etc. It would have given her more agency to be independent of the crew, rather than someone who become subsumed by the larger group and ended up being rather forgettable.
Jon B. - Mar 18, 2007 6:27:30 am PDT #4723 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I thought that you whitefonted in the thread until the weekend after release but that you had to whitefont everywhere else like you do for tv shows. Not so?
You're right, Sumi.
Note to self: Do not post before breakfast.
Strega - Mar 18, 2007 6:54:31 am PDT #4724 of 10001
You could argue that all the characters in Angel -- bar Angel himself -- had no motivating purpose.You could, but I don't think it's true. Is it generally hard to answer "What does this character want?" for Cordelia, or Wesley, or Gunn, or Connor?
Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 7:32:42 am PDT #4725 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Cordy had a purpose at first, but towards the end I had no real idea what she wanted. Wes and Gunn both wanted Fred, except didn't, except did. Connor.. I'm not sure.
Of course, I've not seen the episodes in any kind of order for years, so it's quite possibly I'm just being dim.
brenda m - Mar 18, 2007 7:39:00 am PDT #4726 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Yeah, Fred didn't so much have a purpose as have nowhere else to be.
I loved Illyria, but mostly for what she showed us of Wes. And Lilah did that better.
Kevin - Mar 18, 2007 7:54:30 am PDT #4727 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
The Lilah/Wes thing was genius. Or at least, very good TV. brenda speakuths the truth.
Here's another truth: there should be 900% more Alexis Denisof on TV.
Topic!Cindy - Mar 18, 2007 9:12:18 am PDT #4728 of 10001
What is even happening?
Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.Oh, it seems I remembered the words, but not so much the order. Sorry about that, Jackal. Thanks, Jon. At least it fleshes out the same for today.