oh a trip out there to see the 'scopes I think will have to happen. What age would that make sense at?

I'd say whenever the kid has interest. In general experience (ie, my dad's tour requests) there is a peak around 7-10 and another in the mid teens, if they are sciencey. I think the 7-10 is sort of the most-fun, rather than career, interest stage. It's then still all about cool tools and machinery, and less about peers and life crap. This may be another bias talking as I pretty much find that age most endearing after the whole baby-kitten-cuddle phase.

OK, this Frontline program? Is seriously making want to punch people. I did hit the tv once. Threw a brush at it another. Saving lives or your fucking paper thin imitation facimile of christian or whatever morals, you fucking fuckhead?!

Really. Really. Hate. People.

I am reluctant to wish ill on people, even when I think them wrong. But I'm going there.

OTOH, there are some incredible people who pushed back. Them, I'll kiss.

you? kiss? other people?

7-10, check.

Hah. Metaphorically. Though some of these peoples chutzpah would at least have me hugging.

Now I'm currently loving the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and I hate MicroSoft products. But, goddamn, that money is doing good. I see it again and again. Not going to make me like Excel or Word's logic, but...

This is an excellent program. I highly recommend people get their hands on it. It will piss you off. It will also give you people to admire. It will give you uncomfortable bedfellows (Helms+ Bono, anyone?)

edit: and oh fuck, it ends on a little girl asking her doctor why she has the virus, the doctor checking with mom, and saying that when she's older, they'll explain. God.

sara, you'll be glad to know that Patty Stonesifer, who actually runs the foundation, is freaking awesome. I was at a small lunch with her last year.

edit: and oh fuck, it ends on a little girl asking her doctor why she has the virus, the doctor checking with mom, and saying that when she's older, they'll explain. God.

I know, that killed me.

(Helms+ Bono, anyone?)

Bono's a capital "B" Believer. The Rock Star cover just hides it well.

she and 7 other people in the courthouse staff were also suing Tempurpedic.

What over?

libkitty, I'm sorry I couldn't check online earlier today. I would have volunteered to be a "lower 48" delivery address for you. But it looks like Woot finally sold out an hour or so ago.

sara, you'll be glad to know that Patty Stonesifer, who actually runs the foundation, is freaking awesome.

OK, I'd hug her. Hah. That foundation has done awesome things. It is a credit to her, for sure.

Bono's a capital "B" Believer. The Rock Star cover just hides it well.

That doesn't bug me. I'm glad he's able to reach across some pretty high boundries to accomplish something. Unlike some (MY FREAKING DAD) I don't have issue with people pursuing good in the name of their faith. Sure, I get pissy when I see contradictions, cruelty, denial , ostracism and whatnot, but really, if the end seeks what I see as a wholly good thing, I applaude those that educated you such that your faith brought you there. I've rejected the quaker faith, but it reinforced in me some core things that I'll never lose. So's my dad by oh, how loudly he'll deny that. Shit, the man was a key player in Sanctuary. That was a big Catholic/Quaker thingie. And yet.... anyway. Yes, I just had a debate with him.