I had a whole section about civic pride.

Mayor ,'Chosen'


Natter .44 Magnum: Do You Feel Chatty, Punk?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Typo Boy - May 26, 2006 6:39:32 pm PDT #9197 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And Gar is right in that plenty of folks prefer to be called "Indians" still; they find "Native American" pretentious and/or PC. But not everyone. Case in point: the Native American Rights Fund versus the Congress of American Indians.

Don't know how accurate infoplease is on this but:

[link]

In the end, the term you choose to use (as an Indian or non-Indian) is your own personal choice. Very few Indians that I know care either way. The recommended method is to refer to a person by their tribe, if that information is known. The reason is that the Native peoples of North America are incredibly diverse. It would be like referring both a Romanian and an Irishman as European. . . . [W]henever possible an Indian would prefer to be called a Cherokee or a Lakota or whichever tribe they belong to. This shows respect because not only are you sensitive to the fact that the terms Indian, American Indian, and Native American are an over simplification of a diverse ethnicity, but you also show that you listened when they told what tribe they belonged to.

When you don't know the specific tribe simply use the term which you are most comfortable using. The worst that can happen is that someone might correct you and open the door for a thoughtful debate on the subject of political correctness and its impact on ethnic identity. What matters in the long run is not which term is used but the intention with which it is used.

Except that I find "Native American" gets me ragged mercilessly by some local American Indians.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 26, 2006 8:20:13 pm PDT #9198 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My Little Pony Apocalypse Ponies


Theodosia - May 27, 2006 3:23:15 am PDT #9199 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Heh. Now I want my own set!


flea - May 27, 2006 5:11:33 am PDT #9200 of 10002
information libertarian

Punk Rock Toddler (mine): [link]


Topic!Cindy - May 27, 2006 5:15:44 am PDT #9201 of 10002
What is even happening?

Hee! Casper is such a cutiehead.


Scrappy - May 27, 2006 6:28:56 am PDT #9202 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

What a great picture to wake up to!

Now I have to jump in the shower because I have a full day planned of doing laundry, dusting, vacuuming, driving to the store to rent a carpet shampoo machine, and then carpet cleaning! How very glamorous and exciting my life is. Although we will be going to the X-Men movie tonight, so I have something non-cleaning-related to look forward to.


Theodosia - May 27, 2006 6:35:48 am PDT #9203 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I've watched entirely too much Teen Titans this morning. I'm going to have to make up for it by being extra-productive this afternoon. I hope!


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 6:51:12 am PDT #9204 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm pretty sure the only "us" was us people - the same us the U.S. and China have today.

I'm sorry--I don't get it.

My assumption was that there is a "We are people" us. And then when the white man comes, there is a "we are not those people" us. Neither of those concepts require an invasion.


brenda m - May 27, 2006 6:59:57 am PDT #9205 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think Gar took your question as asking if there was an all-over-this-land, i.e., contintental "us" - that's how I parsed the answer anyway. But I think you were really looking at the more localized tribal/band/group us - "us" here in this clearing as opposed to "them" on the other side of the valley. Which I think there demonstrably was. Am I reading you both right?

Actually maybe not, now that I read you again.


§ ita § - May 27, 2006 7:39:47 am PDT #9206 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think there are all sorts of us, and not all of them require a them (well, not a human them). And not all of them require an invasion. But the idea that there is a West Indies of which I'm a part doesn't mean I'm claiming kinship or similarity with a Trinidadian.

I don't think it's a rare concept. In fact, I think it's human.

Okay, off to teach fledgling kravvers. Wish me luck.