Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


Natter .44 Magnum: Do You Feel Chatty, Punk?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sue - May 26, 2006 4:33:58 pm PDT #9191 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Gay Mounties!

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I seem to have broken some blood vessels from lifting up my TV stand. I didn't used to be so delicate.


brenda m - May 26, 2006 4:35:32 pm PDT #9192 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Aw, cutieheads.


Sue - May 26, 2006 4:54:52 pm PDT #9193 of 10002
hip deep in pie

My cats have to learn that when I am moving furniture, it doesn't help me when they get on it for the ride.


Trudy Booth - May 26, 2006 5:36:06 pm PDT #9194 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Megan finally starts posting and gets me all hawt with the brainyness.


Consuela - May 26, 2006 6:11:08 pm PDT #9195 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

To complicate the issue relating to what-to-call people descended from the folks who were in Northa America before the Europeans arrived, legal issues also get involved. In American (federal) law, "Native American", "Native Alaskan", and "Native Hawaiian" all have specific legal meanings, which may or may not have anything to do with their tribal membership, or political or ethnic status.

And Gar is right in that plenty of folks prefer to be called "Indians" still; they find "Native American" pretentious and/or PC. But not everyone. Case in point: the Native American Rights Fund versus the Congress of American Indians.


Typo Boy - May 26, 2006 6:31:53 pm PDT #9196 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No? There was no concept of "those of us on this land"?

About as much as Rome and Gaul had that concept. They were different nations, different languages, different religions, different cultures , different languages - different marriage customs, different attitudes towards slavery, different attitudes towards war. I'm pretty sure the only "us" was us people - the same us the U.S. and China have today.


Typo Boy - May 26, 2006 6:39:32 pm PDT #9197 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And Gar is right in that plenty of folks prefer to be called "Indians" still; they find "Native American" pretentious and/or PC. But not everyone. Case in point: the Native American Rights Fund versus the Congress of American Indians.

Don't know how accurate infoplease is on this but:

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In the end, the term you choose to use (as an Indian or non-Indian) is your own personal choice. Very few Indians that I know care either way. The recommended method is to refer to a person by their tribe, if that information is known. The reason is that the Native peoples of North America are incredibly diverse. It would be like referring both a Romanian and an Irishman as European. . . . [W]henever possible an Indian would prefer to be called a Cherokee or a Lakota or whichever tribe they belong to. This shows respect because not only are you sensitive to the fact that the terms Indian, American Indian, and Native American are an over simplification of a diverse ethnicity, but you also show that you listened when they told what tribe they belonged to.

When you don't know the specific tribe simply use the term which you are most comfortable using. The worst that can happen is that someone might correct you and open the door for a thoughtful debate on the subject of political correctness and its impact on ethnic identity. What matters in the long run is not which term is used but the intention with which it is used.

Except that I find "Native American" gets me ragged mercilessly by some local American Indians.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 26, 2006 8:20:13 pm PDT #9198 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My Little Pony Apocalypse Ponies


Theodosia - May 27, 2006 3:23:15 am PDT #9199 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Heh. Now I want my own set!


flea - May 27, 2006 5:11:33 am PDT #9200 of 10002
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Punk Rock Toddler (mine): [link]