Angel: Yeah, I never told anyone about this, but I-I liked your poems. Spike: You like Barry Manilow.

'Hell Bound'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 11:41:22 am PDT #8900 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

A statistical correlation does not mean a cause. There's a word or phrase for what I mean, but I can't remember it.

I think straight male rapists probably rape women more often than not because they're straight, and because women are usually easier targets. That doesn't play into women as second class citizens. It means that physical power can more easily be exerted over them (us).


Dana - Apr 05, 2006 11:41:46 am PDT #8901 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

If you divorce rape from sex, does it become easier?

No. To be more specific, I don't see how it's possible to divorce gender from this specific crime.

And charging specifically based on which gender the attacker and victim are might lead to bias?

I didn't suggest anything like that. Regardless of the motivation of this lacrosse team or whatever, it is the crime that it is.

But the post at the Smoking Gun site indicates to me that this guy has specific attitudes about women that contributed to the alleged crime, in addition to the fact that he's a shitty example of humanity.


Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 11:42:14 am PDT #8902 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Absolutely they can. How often do they? Considering that the opportunities, if you want to call it that, are pretty much the same across the board, why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

Yeah, I've never ever in my life heard of a sorority ordering a pizza, tackling the guy, stimuliating the delivery boy's prostate with some handy object in order to get him hard, and then taking turns with him.


Lee - Apr 05, 2006 11:42:27 am PDT #8903 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I agree with you, Perkins. As much as I want the rapist (or attempted rapist) to get his face smashed in, chasing him off enough that the woman was safe was job#1. Apprehending him for the police (citizen's arrest and all that) job #3 (making sure the woman's okay would be #2 for me). Cracking him open with a tire iron is dessert, but you will be charged extra for ordering what's not on the menu.

This seems very different to me than the situation with your Krav friend, who was protecting himself from an ongoing danger.

If you subsituted "cop" for "Iggy" in that story, it would bring up words like police brutality and unnecessary use of force, at least for me, and I think that's a dangerous line to cross for anyone.


Jars - Apr 05, 2006 11:43:15 am PDT #8904 of 10001

why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

I would say that adults raping children is nearly as common in some societies, taking children to be a seperate gender. And there definitely is far more male rape of women than other kinds of rape, but it's still rape. Which is an horrific crime. I just don't see how saying that it's men that are to blame helps the situation at all. It's the attacker that's to blame, whether they're male or not.


Jessica - Apr 05, 2006 11:44:24 am PDT #8905 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I do think they assaulted her because she's a woman.

That's a different question, though. Subhuman assholes like this don't even deserve to be called men, let alone define how I feel about half the species.


Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 11:45:47 am PDT #8906 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Subhuman assholes like this don't even deserve to be called men, let alone define how I feel about half the species.

Probably the first time in their lives they've been called anything but Gods. They're good at sports! They're important! Everybody loves them and their rich and, hey, boys horse around...


DXMachina - Apr 05, 2006 11:45:47 am PDT #8907 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

How Lazy Mole-Rats Serve Their Queen.


§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 11:46:33 am PDT #8908 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This seems very different to me than the situation with your Krav friend, who was protecting himself from an ongoing danger.

Absolutely. I'm just saying that if the friend got charged, Ransone really needs to get charged, even though the surface of the story is more white-knight and saviourly.


Scrappy - Apr 05, 2006 11:46:40 am PDT #8909 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Oh, I think the email is a joke. It's a sick sexist joke, but an idiot college kid joke nonetheless. The year after I graduated, some students found a dead raccoon in the woods and nailed it to a cross in a mock-crucifixion IN THE DORM LIVING ROOM and left it there. Other students were understandably upset, but the crucifying students thought it was hilarious.

ETA: I think it reveals his contempt for women, but I don't think he was planning murder.