Kaylee: So how many fell madly in love with you and wanted to take you away from all this? Inara: Just the one. I think I'm slipping.

'Serenity'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Apr 05, 2006 11:38:45 am PDT #8895 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Because any gender can rape any other gender?

Absolutely they can. How often do they? Considering that the opportunities, if you want to call it that, are pretty much the same across the board, why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

ETA: The one place I'm aware of where male-on-male rape is in fact epidemic would be in the prison system, where it occurs a) in the absences of women, and b) often as part of a deliberate and conscious dehumanizing of the victim through "feminization."


lisah - Apr 05, 2006 11:39:14 am PDT #8896 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Once I recognized him, all I could think was, "I've seen that guy naked." Stupid HBO not having decency standards.

Ha ha

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Fred Pete - Apr 05, 2006 11:40:11 am PDT #8897 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Personally, I think they assaulted her because they're shitty examples of humanity, and what can go wrong with it.

I'm not sure where this fits in, but if you read the e-mail reproduced at Smoking Gun, there's the unmistakable sense that McFadyen certainly didn't think of the woman as human -- I mean, he said he was going to kill her.

And by putting it in an e-mail, he apparently believed that the recipients felt the same way. And when the recipients at the very least didn't do anything to prevent it -- it suggests that he was right. Unless you want to believe that they thought McFadyen was joking, which I suspect not.


ChiKat - Apr 05, 2006 11:40:21 am PDT #8898 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

On the plus side, there are guys like this out there.

I love James Ransome. That is all.

He didn't understand why a woman would see biking through a sketchy urban area in the dark would be the slightest bit unsafe. My telling him that I didn't want to end up raped, killed, and dumped in one of the many local construction sites just didn't register.

I would love to bike to work in the summers, but this right here is exactly why I don't. I'd have to ride through some of the worst neighborhoods on Chicago's west side.

But do you really think they assaulted the woman in question because they're men? Personally, I think they assaulted her because they're shitty examples of humanity, and what can go wrong with it.

I do think they assaulted her because she's a woman.


tommyrot - Apr 05, 2006 11:40:32 am PDT #8899 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

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Heh. That could be a new HBO series or movie.

Peter Remington, Stunk Cock.


§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 11:41:22 am PDT #8900 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

A statistical correlation does not mean a cause. There's a word or phrase for what I mean, but I can't remember it.

I think straight male rapists probably rape women more often than not because they're straight, and because women are usually easier targets. That doesn't play into women as second class citizens. It means that physical power can more easily be exerted over them (us).


Dana - Apr 05, 2006 11:41:46 am PDT #8901 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

If you divorce rape from sex, does it become easier?

No. To be more specific, I don't see how it's possible to divorce gender from this specific crime.

And charging specifically based on which gender the attacker and victim are might lead to bias?

I didn't suggest anything like that. Regardless of the motivation of this lacrosse team or whatever, it is the crime that it is.

But the post at the Smoking Gun site indicates to me that this guy has specific attitudes about women that contributed to the alleged crime, in addition to the fact that he's a shitty example of humanity.


Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 11:42:14 am PDT #8902 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Absolutely they can. How often do they? Considering that the opportunities, if you want to call it that, are pretty much the same across the board, why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

Yeah, I've never ever in my life heard of a sorority ordering a pizza, tackling the guy, stimuliating the delivery boy's prostate with some handy object in order to get him hard, and then taking turns with him.


Lee - Apr 05, 2006 11:42:27 am PDT #8903 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I agree with you, Perkins. As much as I want the rapist (or attempted rapist) to get his face smashed in, chasing him off enough that the woman was safe was job#1. Apprehending him for the police (citizen's arrest and all that) job #3 (making sure the woman's okay would be #2 for me). Cracking him open with a tire iron is dessert, but you will be charged extra for ordering what's not on the menu.

This seems very different to me than the situation with your Krav friend, who was protecting himself from an ongoing danger.

If you subsituted "cop" for "Iggy" in that story, it would bring up words like police brutality and unnecessary use of force, at least for me, and I think that's a dangerous line to cross for anyone.


Jars - Apr 05, 2006 11:43:15 am PDT #8904 of 10001

why is there such a predominance of male-rape-of-female then, if gender isn't an issue?

I would say that adults raping children is nearly as common in some societies, taking children to be a seperate gender. And there definitely is far more male rape of women than other kinds of rape, but it's still rape. Which is an horrific crime. I just don't see how saying that it's men that are to blame helps the situation at all. It's the attacker that's to blame, whether they're male or not.