I believe that's my hey. Hey!

Xander ,'Storyteller'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


TomW - Mar 31, 2006 6:40:50 am PST #7564 of 10001
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be."

Though every so often some guy sues Hooters or somewhere for not letting him pole dance.

Yeah, that was me. Sorry. When my muse calls, I must obey!

Sorry your former employers were such arse-hats, David. Good luck with the writing life - I really hope something good for you comes out of all of this.

I wish I could say that the cack-handedness of HR surprises me, but I cannot. Our HR office is located far too close to mine and the walls are too thin...

Good luck finding someone to quit to, shrift!


Nutty - Mar 31, 2006 6:41:13 am PST #7565 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Alas for David's foolish ex-bosses. Really, there are other ways to muscle out an old regime without making yourself look like a twerp. Also, the lying thing is kind of a forgiveness-killer.

OTOH, hurray for Shrift's foolish soon-to-be-ex-bosses. They are so foolish, they will have to bring in somebody else to find their jaws from off the floor.

I feel the need to state for the record that I am wearing a dress and no pantyhose today. In another 1/2 hour, I will go eat lunch outside in the sun.


Jesse - Mar 31, 2006 6:42:25 am PST #7566 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Not that it's likely, but pretty much, yeah. Though every so often some guy sues Hooters or somewhere for not letting him pole dance.

Race and sex are both protected classes, so you could definitely make a claim if you could prove you'd been discriminated against because you are white or male.

What they said. We actually talked about Hooters in my HR class last year.


Fred Pete - Mar 31, 2006 6:42:32 am PST #7567 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

They can fire you for being white or male?

Haven't done the research, but the statute says no discrimination on the basis of race or sex, not no discrimination against any specific race or sex.

And I can't remember a cite for the cases that say (1) sexual harassment = sex discrimination, and (2) sexual harassment of a male is illegal sexual harassment.


§ ita § - Mar 31, 2006 6:44:13 am PST #7568 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can see not getting hired because you're the wrong gender, but getting fired--Hec says what I figured--protected class.

Hec, I'm sorry to hear all this is happening to you. Best of luck at turning it into something that kickstarts you towards more fulfillment.

Looks like the guy who dumped the meeting on me (without giving me any prep stuff) has had the meeting dumped back on him. Excellent to hear. I still have to attend (although I don't know why), but at least I don't need to pretend to have a clue.

eta:

What they said.

Didn't they contradict each other?


shrift - Mar 31, 2006 6:46:31 am PST #7569 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Good luck finding someone to quit to, shrift!

They better not make me e-mail this bad boy.


Jesse - Mar 31, 2006 6:46:49 am PST #7570 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

No, what they each said reflected the fact that employment decisions can't be made on the basis of race, gender, veteran's status, etc, whatever else is in the law, which is my understanding. You can't hire or fire someone for being a man or for being a woman, either way.

Edit: Of course the laws were made to protect the people in the groups that are traditionally discriminated against, but they apply to everyone.


brenda m - Mar 31, 2006 6:47:06 am PST #7571 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Not that it's likely, but pretty much, yeah.

Yeah, I was kind of speaking in terms of effect there - no, they can't out and out, but I'm guessing it's a much harder thing to prove/prevail in court if they do.


tommyrot - Mar 31, 2006 6:49:16 am PST #7572 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What they said. We actually talked about Hooters in my HR class last year.

Have y'all heard that Hooters Air is shutting down (except for chartered flights)?


bon bon - Mar 31, 2006 6:49:23 am PST #7573 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Anyone have any miracle tips for getting new shoes to stop making your heels bleed?

Moleskin. Dr. Scholls brand, in the footcare aisle at the drug store.