But, see, I'm pretty damn sure that gay men are only looking to marry other gay men.

Tep, why do you hate America?

Don't tell The Children about sex, and they'll never have it.

Yep. Which is why the Virgin Birth is such a big deal. Other than that, there was never a child born to non-married people until Sex Ed infected our schools.

I'm going to take the controversial stance that turtles only have sex with other turtles.*

* mainly because I can't figure out how anything but a turtle could manage the mechanics and thank you NO, I don't need enlightenment otherwise.

Will someone please think of the lesbians?

We may be able to find a few volunteers.

I am also not against religious thinking homosexuality is wrong, though I personally would not subscribe to one.

I go back and forth on this -- not on the thinking homosexuality is wrong, but on subscribing to a religion that says so. Which I do -- and yet, its founder had absolutely nothing to say about the matter. Paul may possibly have had something to say about the matter, but historians and language scholars have been raising doubts for the last decade and a half about the accuracy of a lot of the translations of his letters. It doesn't seem to have been a matter of pressing, dire concern for anyone until fairly recently. And most of the members of my faith whom I know either don't care or are actively in favor of happily wed monogamy for anyone who wants it, and the PTB in Rome seem very wee and remote.

And there's a constant tug-of-war between the folks who toe the Vatican line and those who think it's a bullshit line and a moral outrage -- for the past 5-6 years, fully half my weekly diocesan newspaper's letters to the editor column has been taken up with people arguing furiously back and forth. And an internal tug-of-war for most of us, jerking us back and forth between "Fuck this noise, I'll go find myself someplace that agrees with me on this and to hell with these bigoted assholes" and "Fuck this noise, this is my church too, and they don't get to weasel around and try to passive-aggressively make me feel so uncomfortable I leave on my own. If they want me to shut up and leave, they have to throw me out. If they don't have the nerve to do that, then fuck them, this is my home too and I'm staying right exactly here and not shutting up."

But, see, I'm pretty damn sure that gay men are only looking to marry other gay men.

Tep, why do you hate America?

Because the America *I* grew up in was a place where a man was a man and a turtle was a turtle, and they knew their rightful places when it came to The Sex. Nowawdays, it's all turtles and bison, men and loaves of bread, women and their shower massagers. But I say NO! No, indeed! MY America is a place where men marry men (who want to be marrying them), and women marry women (ditto), and The Straights can do whatever the hell they want, as long as they don't expect me to take part in the bouquet toss!

I'm Steph L., and I approve of this message.

I don't need enlightenment otherwise.

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Hmm. Do I go onsite for this meeting or not...I have about ten minutes to decide.

John Cornyn: The senator from Texas issued a statement in which he advocated a constitutional ban on gay marriage with the following logic: "It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right. . . . Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife."

IIRC, that actual speech was penned by the kid who just got himself fired from washingtonpost.com.

IIRC, that actual speech was penned by the kid who just got himself fired from washingtonpost.com.

I do remember Bill O'Reilly taking that line and running with it, though. It was apparently the most reasoned and logical statement he'd heard on the matter to date.

men and loaves of bread,

Men and pie! It's all Jim Levenstein's fault, the slut. Once you corrupt apple pie it's all downhill and turtle pr0n from there.