I think a midwest F2F in May/June to welcome the lovely shrift is in order.

I'm heading to Virginia for a weekend near the end of May, but otherwise, I'll be available for parties and bacon.

Also, "onboard" is not a verb.

Actually, one key conclusion I came to when leaving the church was that my moral judgments would be unaffected by changing my beliefs about the supernatural, and indeed, that this was necessarily the case.

This.

But - my views on the supernatural have changed dramatically from when I was younger. My "moral code" or whatever you'd call it, has not.

And this.

There are morals I've held my entire life, but there has never been a supernatural belief that's lasted more than a few years.

Many have already made the main points I would have brought to the discussion. But yes, I would agree that morals are not necessarily posited on a belief in the supernatural, nor is "belief in the supernatural" synonymous to "world view."

I don't think that either Kantian or utilitarian philosophies rest on the claims of the supernatural, unless that is one way of interpreting the categorical imperative.

I don't think that either Kantian or utilitarian philosophies rest on the claims of the supernatural, unless that is one way of interpreting the categorical imperative.

Strictly, Kant himself regarded morality as resting on the claims of the supernatural (in particular, the promises of reward and punishment in the afterlife), but yes, future thinkers would note that his arguments for moral philosophy did not require his religious beliefs.

I was just informed that Big Boss expects me to work extra hours every day while coworker is on vacation.

And you didn't reply that there are no extra hours?

Strictly, Kant himself regarded morality as resting on the claims of the supernatural (in particular, the promises of reward and punishment in the afterlife), but yes, future thinkers would note that his arguments for moral philosophy did not require his religious beliefs.

I'll say. I've even read some arguments that claim his moral philosophy doesn't even rest on claims of the Good, but rather on Duty.

Ugh. Must clear brain of Kant.

I'll say. I've even read some arguments that claim his moral philosophy doesn't even rest on claims of the Good, but rather on Duty.

Yep. I think for Kant they were synonymous, but that is (to say the least) contentious. And because his moral position was orthogonal to religious belief, it wound up being rather corrosive to Christianity's position. Possibly more so than that of Hume's cheerful atheism and rejection of moral absolutes.

Thinking on this, I've come to realize that I am an extremely cynical hobbesian (I think. It's been a while since I named philosophers.) I reduced everything I could think of regarding humanity down to a biological imperative to avoid being killed. Of course, that may have been influenced by traffic, hunger and the fact I really wanted to kill the guy who cut me off but he was in a hummer.

extremely cynical hobbesian

you misspelled cutiehead.

looks like my freecycle person is standing me up, which is fine, but I'd like to get rid of stuff sooner rather than later.