I'm just trying to tell you that we have nothing in common besides both of us liking your penis.

Anya ,'Dirty Girls'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Fred Pete - May 06, 2008 4:35:32 am PDT #5660 of 28348
Ann, that's a ferret.

Does Card actually have gay characters in his books? How does he treat them?

He was all the rage in the SF circles I frequented back in the day -- it was in NC, and he was winning all sorts of awards while living in Greensboro. I don't remember the subject coming up in his work or otherwise then.

On the other hand, I haven't read everything he wrote.


Jessica - May 06, 2008 4:44:25 am PDT #5661 of 28348
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I've read (and loved) most of his early stuff (the original Ender books, the Alvin Maker trilogy back when it was still a trilogy, the Worthing Saga, a whole slew of short stories), but very little of his recent work.

I tried reading the Ender prequels, but once Petra hit puberty and realized her true mission in life was to stay at home and meekly pop out baybeez, I was too full of incoherent rage to continue any further. And I haven't had the heart to read anything he's written since.


Fred Pete - May 06, 2008 4:53:59 am PDT #5662 of 28348
Ann, that's a ferret.

I've read Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, the first two Alvin Maker books, and some of his pre-1990-or-so short fiction (including the short stories or novelettes that became EG and the AM works). I vaguely remember a moment or two in Ender that one could, if one wished, interpret as homosexual in the sense of one male showing affection for another -- but I doubt OSC intended it that way.


Miracleman - May 06, 2008 5:03:48 am PDT #5663 of 28348
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I tried reading the Ender prequels, but once Petra hit puberty and realized her true mission in life was to stay at home and meekly pop out baybeez, I was too full of incoherent rage to continue any further. And I haven't had the heart to read anything he's written since.

They weren't really prequels as the continuing stories of the other Battle School kids. But, yeah.

I read them and found them fascinating in a "near-future warfare" kind of sense, and Bean just rocks, but Petra going from "bad-ass Battle School grad" to "I jus' wanna have Beanie-Weanie's widdle babies" was baffling. That and you got the sense that OSC became kind of lost in the expanse of his global war. Tom Clancy he ain't.


Volans - May 06, 2008 5:17:04 am PDT #5664 of 28348
move out and draw fire

You really have to pick and choose OSC's writing.

Oddly, slashdot thought his essay about JKR's lawsuit was large with the funny.


§ ita § - May 06, 2008 5:22:18 am PDT #5665 of 28348
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Basically, OSC thinks that Rowling's bully and a hypocrite who should admit that Ender's Game: Harry Potter as Harry Potter: Lexicon, and stuff like that happens all that time, and what a whining cheat about the gay thing, just trying to get credit for something she's not willing to take a risk on.

Which might be a stronger point if he hadn't used himself as an example of how to handle gay characters instead.

See, Jessica? This way your blood pressure is much safer.


Dana - May 06, 2008 5:22:51 am PDT #5666 of 28348
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Also, she makes too much money.


§ ita § - May 06, 2008 5:23:38 am PDT #5667 of 28348
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bitch.


Dana - May 06, 2008 5:24:34 am PDT #5668 of 28348
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And speaking of the whole thing, fandom wank has a new update, including links to articles in the New Yorker and the Chicago Tribune.


Nutty - May 06, 2008 5:28:43 am PDT #5669 of 28348
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I was reading Fandom Wank last night, and I think except for one comment (about how the respondent was so shocked she dropped her monocle into her martini) everybody there doesn't quite realize that the New Yorker is doing the anime squint at the whole thing: o.O

Not that the New Yorker would cop to calling it an anime squint, but the article dripped with condescenscion-border-on-contempt, and many of the respondents seemed worried that the writer was taking Steve Vander Ark's side. I was like, Oh honeys, I am absolutely sure that the New Yorker thinks that both he and you are exotic zoo animals. So don't worry.