You're not gonna jokey-rhyme your way out of this one.

Willow ,'Sleeper'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Kathy A - Jan 28, 2010 11:04:19 am PST #10848 of 28359
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I read Catcher in 8th grade, and I thought Holden was whiny and irritating. But I don't have much patience with whiny characters--Hardy's Tess drove me bonkers. I just want to shake her soooo hard!


Tom Scola - Jan 28, 2010 11:04:19 am PST #10849 of 28359
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

When I was in junior high, my teacher suggested reading the book as if Holden's narrative was his talking to a psychiatrist.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 28, 2010 11:04:27 am PST #10850 of 28359
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think he is much less likely to appeal to "today's youth" whatever that is. But I did like the book, and read it on my own, not for class.

Actually, I wonder if Holden Caulfield was a proto-hipster?

ETA: I also liked Tess.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2010 11:07:34 am PST #10851 of 28359
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read the book on my own, but with the understanding that not only was it a must-read, but that it was a classic and that Holden had been enshrined by many.

Accurate as it may be, I never got why I should care about his story. I don't need my protagonist to be likable, but he didn't have anything to recommend him to me.

I don't remember details about Franny & Zooey, but I don't recall disliking it either.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 28, 2010 11:11:34 am PST #10852 of 28359
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I read Catcher for an American Lit class in uni. It was good in context. But, yeah, Holden is irritating.


Atropa - Jan 28, 2010 11:15:29 am PST #10853 of 28359
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I've never read Catcher. I take it I wouldn't like it?


brenda m - Jan 28, 2010 11:20:29 am PST #10854 of 28359
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Accurate as it may be, I never got why I should care about his story. I don't need my protagonist to be likable, but he didn't have anything to recommend him to me.

This was pretty much my reaction. And I didn't really get what was supposed to be so profound and life-changing. At all.


JZ - Jan 28, 2010 11:36:07 am PST #10855 of 28359
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I've read it two or three times, the first for class and the other two just for itself. The last time was close to a decade ago so I don't know what will have changed when I read it again, but chances are it will utterly wreck me. The huge, huge thing I remember from all three reads, aside from Holden's now-much-imitated but still utterly distinctive voice, is his huge love for his siblings. The dead brother is a hole in him that won't be filled, that he mostly lives with but never forgets, and Phoebe is to him what Matilda is to Emmett.

The scene where Holden gets all twisted up and despairing looking at the "Fuck you" scratched onto a wall and wanting to rub it out so Phoebe can never see it, and realizing he'll never be able to erase all the "Fuck you"s in the world? That's not exactly Emmett in the details, since he already swears like a sailor, but that ferocious hunger to protect the wee beloved is purely and precisely him. Wanting to be the catcher in the rye, saving all the little kids as they run around wildly, is pure Emmett. Watching Phoebe on the merry-go-round and crumbling under the weight of her presence, her self, how purely and separately herself and yet central to him she is, all Emmett.

The scenes with Mister Antolini kind of wrecked me, too--all the blundering and misunderstanding and that small sorrowful gesture of fumbling kindness and pity, and Holden's reflexive, destructive terror.

I totally and completely grok why it rubs so many people the wrong way and why it can be a completely unenjoyable, even loathsome experience, but I feel weirdly protective of it, as if it were an actual 15-year-old depressed boy wobbling into a nervous breakdown instead of just a book about him.


sj - Jan 28, 2010 11:53:39 am PST #10856 of 28359
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I read it on my own, and I think I liked it. But I don't remember many details about it.

My copy of Bone Crossed by Patricia Briggs just arrived! I had been waiting for it to come out in paperback. It's perfect timing because TCG is working late, and I have no plans for the evening.


erikaj - Jan 28, 2010 12:51:43 pm PST #10857 of 28359
Always Anti-fascist!

I can't imagine what it would be like to read in the fifties, since everyone's a wiseass now and the shocking part to me reading in 1990 or whatever is that I didn't see anything in it to make it the de facto book for serial killing psychos. Now, I understand that it was feeding an impulse in those already Not Right but the first time I read it, I expected it to be violent since Mark Chapman loved it so much...I wonder if Salinger ever knew that and if it ever made him sad. Because Holden is obviously smarting off when he says he's "hunting people".