Wrod.ETA: I remember reading where JM had a similar encounter with "fit" which to us= healthy and buff but as you know, for your lot=hot and sexy. So he was on UK TV and the host says " You're looking fit, James." And JM says "Yeah, well, I work out." and gets a HUGE laugh.
You're wrong about River. River's not on the ship. They didn't want her here, but she couldn't make herself leave. So she melted... Melted away. They didn't know she could do that, but she did.
River ,'Objects In Space'
Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers
This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.
erikaj - Aug 18, 2004 9:36:48 am PDT #8884 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!
Connie Neil - Aug 18, 2004 9:40:44 am PDT #8885 of 10000
brillig
I've seen the butt variation.
Nutty - Aug 18, 2004 9:56:01 am PDT #8886 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
(FWIW, the quote is from a Bloom County cartoon, where a bunch of animals are riding with a paraplegic man on his wheelchair = Starship Enterprise, only they don't all fit, and Opus = Mister Spock falls off. Onto his butt. It is way, way funnier than I have just described it.)
(No, Opus does not have female parts.)
Connie Neil - Aug 18, 2004 10:00:50 am PDT #8887 of 10000
brillig
Bloom County rulez! Or it did.
Consuela - Aug 18, 2004 10:38:04 am PDT #8888 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I love Bloom County. This week's Opus was a nice reminder of Bloom County at its best. Many of them have been, I dunno, a bit too nasty of late.
I like Nutty's theory of specialized language for porn. It makes some kind of sense to me.
Speaking of fic, since that's where we are, Thea just posted a lovely little Buffy post-Not Fade Away snippet here.
Anne W. - Aug 18, 2004 1:14:13 pm PDT #8889 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
This is all very, very interesting. As for me, I've always broken down porn vs. erotica as follows:
Porn = characters aren't important, only bodies and lots of details about Tab A going into Slot B, etc. There's nothing in the story that shows why it's important why Character A is shagging Character B and/or C. In fact, it would be easy to swap in characters from another fandom with no one really noticing.
Erotica = Along with all the bits about, well, bits, it is important that it is those two (or three, or four) specific people going at it like bunnies. There should be some sort of emotional or intellectual freight, maybe some hint of consequences to be faced or obstacles that have been overcome, etc. and so forth. There doesn't necessarily have to be much of a plot, but there should be the sense that these are people screwing, not just bodies.
Does that make sense?
erikaj - Aug 18, 2004 1:37:29 pm PDT #8890 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!
Yeah, I think so.
Fay - Aug 18, 2004 1:49:59 pm PDT #8891 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Yep, makes sense.
Porn = impersonal
Erotica = personal
brenda m - Aug 18, 2004 4:53:57 pm PDT #8892 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Porn = characters aren't important,
To me, this is definitely the biggest distinction. Most of the other factors that people mentioned can go either way, depending on the writer's skill, intent, whatever. This is the heart.
Michele T. - Aug 18, 2004 6:03:10 pm PDT #8893 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Isn't the difference basically: erotica is what turns me on, porn is what turns you on, and smut is what turns those other people on?