I just read Jane St. Clair's Denser Still the Snow , a BTVS/DS cross over.
It's ...wow...y'all have to read this.
Wash: I didn't think you were one for rituals and such. Mal: I'm not, but it'll keep the others busy for a while. No reason to concern them with what's to be done.
'Bushwhacked'
Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers
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askye - Jun 04, 2004 6:22:47 pm PDT #8281 of 10000
Thrive to spite them
Dana - Jun 04, 2004 6:23:22 pm PDT #8282 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Yeah, it's lovely.
I've read a ton of good stuff tonight. Yahtzee wrote Syd/Weiss, for one.
Katie M - Jun 06, 2004 6:54:48 pm PDT #8283 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Okay, I need to have a teeny rant, and it is not worth actually having somewhere where it would lead to a conversation with people I don't know. So I'ma just gonna rant a touch here, get it out of my system, head off temptation at the pass.
Dear person (no, not you, but one of the people who replied): The fuck? Fandoms have different ways in which they use common fannish vocabulary. If you want to say "that is a stupid way to use that term," fine. If you want to use the term in whatever way you prefer, and are willing to accept the fact that you will thus end up confusing some people, fine. No, really, that's not a pissy fine, that's a "sure, whatever, be happy with your fannish life" fine. But please not to be saying, in a dismissive and snotty manner, that the fandom in question is going to have to learn your usage. 'Cause you know what? We don't. Screw you, and don't try to tell me what to do.
Why am I feeling so possessive? Why do I care about this? Why does anybody care about this? How could anyone get seriously upset and pissy about ways in which different fandoms use the term "ship"? I mean, come on!
...I'm gonna post my vid post and then go eat fresh local strawberries. Mmm, strawberries. Strawberries don't try to be the Grand High Ruler of Fandom.
Vonnie K - Jun 06, 2004 7:24:52 pm PDT #8284 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Aw, Katie. Are the crazy SG folks bothering you again?
SG has the weirdest pairing and genre classification system. 'Ship means het, but not just any het. Like, Jack/OFC would be het, but not ship, like Jack/Sam. I have no earthly idea if they call Janet/Daniel het or ship. And 'ship' cannot be used for slash pairing under any circumstances. Plus, there's 'smarm' (or is it 'swarm'?) which is subclassification of slash, I think, and I *still* don't know exactly what it means. Or maybe it's a subclassification of hurt/comfort. Oy, my head.
§ ita § - Jun 06, 2004 7:28:58 pm PDT #8285 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is "ship" official stuff? Indicated in script?
Katie M - Jun 06, 2004 7:36:12 pm PDT #8286 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Actually, it's me complaining about someone else complaining about the crazy SG folks. And you know, if it was just "this is a deeply silly classification, and is not the way I use the words" that'd be fine, but the fandom isn't actually required to change for you personally, sweetie. (Er, not you you, obviously.)
I'm just having one of those moments where I'm looking at things that people get genuinely het up and angry about and shaking my head in despair. And then getting het up about it, in an eminently mockable fashion. Oh well. At least I'm self-aware, right?
Smarm is "we hug and cuddle and do everything married people would do but we don't want to have sex, heavens no. We're straight!"
§ ita § - Jun 06, 2004 7:37:08 pm PDT #8287 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think I love smarm. Is there any irony in it?
Vonnie K - Jun 06, 2004 7:38:40 pm PDT #8288 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Eh, I have no clue. I have a feeling the term is pretty much reserved for Jack/Sam, but I could be wrong there. For example, Jack/Laira (the woman from "100 Days") won't be classified as 'ship', even if it's canon.
Or possibly, I am talking out of my ass.
ETA: that's in response to ita's 'ship' question.
Katie M - Jun 06, 2004 7:40:06 pm PDT #8289 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Is "ship" official stuff? Indicated in script?
In SG fandom usage, "ship" pretty much means "J/S." My personal head mostly reserves the term for close-to-canon stuff--or at least for pairings that people would like to actually see happen on the show, and to which people are really committed. Well, to the extent that my personal head uses it at all, which isn't very much. I'm still kinda gen at heart, really.
Katie M - Jun 06, 2004 7:44:18 pm PDT #8290 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I think I love smarm. Is there any irony in it?
Alas, no, I don't think so. You could bring your own, though.
Eh, I have no clue. I have a feeling the term is pretty much reserved for Jack/Sam, but I could be wrong there. For example, Jack/Laira (the woman from "100 Days") won't be classified as 'ship', even if it's canon.
When people say "shippers" they mean J/S. (So really it's a pretty old-school, X-Files-derived usage of the term. Not our fault that other fandoms changed it around.) If they're talking about another pairing, they'll say "Daniel/Janet shippers" or whatever. No one that I've heard of uses it for the slash pairings.