Aw, Katie. Are the crazy SG folks bothering you again?

SG has the weirdest pairing and genre classification system. 'Ship means het, but not just any het. Like, Jack/OFC would be het, but not ship, like Jack/Sam. I have no earthly idea if they call Janet/Daniel het or ship. And 'ship' cannot be used for slash pairing under any circumstances. Plus, there's 'smarm' (or is it 'swarm'?) which is subclassification of slash, I think, and I *still* don't know exactly what it means. Or maybe it's a subclassification of hurt/comfort. Oy, my head.

Is "ship" official stuff? Indicated in script?

Actually, it's me complaining about someone else complaining about the crazy SG folks. And you know, if it was just "this is a deeply silly classification, and is not the way I use the words" that'd be fine, but the fandom isn't actually required to change for you personally, sweetie. (Er, not you you, obviously.)

I'm just having one of those moments where I'm looking at things that people get genuinely het up and angry about and shaking my head in despair. And then getting het up about it, in an eminently mockable fashion. Oh well. At least I'm self-aware, right?

Smarm is "we hug and cuddle and do everything married people would do but we don't want to have sex, heavens no. We're straight!"

I think I love smarm. Is there any irony in it?

Eh, I have no clue. I have a feeling the term is pretty much reserved for Jack/Sam, but I could be wrong there. For example, Jack/Laira (the woman from "100 Days") won't be classified as 'ship', even if it's canon.

Or possibly, I am talking out of my ass.

ETA: that's in response to ita's 'ship' question.

Is "ship" official stuff? Indicated in script?

In SG fandom usage, "ship" pretty much means "J/S." My personal head mostly reserves the term for close-to-canon stuff--or at least for pairings that people would like to actually see happen on the show, and to which people are really committed. Well, to the extent that my personal head uses it at all, which isn't very much. I'm still kinda gen at heart, really.

I think I love smarm. Is there any irony in it?

Alas, no, I don't think so. You could bring your own, though.

Eh, I have no clue. I have a feeling the term is pretty much reserved for Jack/Sam, but I could be wrong there. For example, Jack/Laira (the woman from "100 Days") won't be classified as 'ship', even if it's canon.

When people say "shippers" they mean J/S. (So really it's a pretty old-school, X-Files-derived usage of the term. Not our fault that other fandoms changed it around.) If they're talking about another pairing, they'll say "Daniel/Janet shippers" or whatever. No one that I've heard of uses it for the slash pairings.

Smarm is "we hug and cuddle and do everything married people would do but we don't want to have sex, heavens no. We're straight!"

Oh yeah. I remember now. Why on earth anyone would name this 'smarm' beats me, but fandom is funny. Also, how would this be different from 'pre-slash'?

So, if Jack and Sam cuddle without having sex, it's not smarm but UST, right? Or maybe UST is an XF-specific terminology. Ehhh, Buffyverse was a lot less complicated, because people shipped everyone with anyone in Buffyverse (It's a het! It's a slash! It's a threesome! It's a big damn orgy!) and just marked the story by the character paring, like B/S, A/S/Dru, Whistler/Cordy, etc.

Also, how would this be different from 'pre-slash'?

In pre-slash, the author thinks they want to get it on.

(You like how I pull these definitions out of my ear and sound like I know what I'm talking about? I have a Master's, you know. I've practiced.)

So, if Jack and Sam cuddle without having sex, it's not smarm but UST, right?

Smarm's only ever used for same-sex pairings as far as I know, so, er, yeah, I'd call that UST.

Ehhh, Buffyverse was a lot less complicated, because people shipped everyone with anyone in Buffyverse (It's a het! It's a slash! It's a threesome! It's a big damn orgy!) and just marked the story by the character paring, like B/S, A/S/Dru, Whistler/Cordy, etc.

Hee. Yeah, actually I pointed that out in my reply to the initial post (since the person in question has previously written in Buffyverse, and was talking about the difference in usage). While Stargate is certainly organized around the Two Big Ships to a great extent, it's not as "everybody sleeps with everybody! Woo!" as Buffyverse is, and I think that's probably because Buffy the show was so much more about the interpersonal relationships than SG is.

(And also: Whistler/Cordy? Okay, that's a squick.)

it's a pretty old-school, X-Files-derived usage of the term

For some reason it felt very easy to map M/S onto SG1. I can kinda see it.

If smarm were ironically coyly written I might be able to handle it. If I have to bring my own, I might also need a killing spree to feel clean again.