Jayne: Captain, can you stop her from bein' cheerful, please? Mal: I don't believe there is a power in the 'verse that can stop Kaylee from being cheerful. Sometimes you just wanna duct tape her mouth and dump her in the hold for a month.

'Serenity'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


P.M. Marc - Dec 20, 2003 4:20:26 pm PST #6820 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yo! Anyone up for discussing recs, reccing, the difficulty of relying on archives because of fandom politics, etc?

Cause, I sure as shit am.

Why? Because I have shit that's due tomorrow, and I'm feeling like a procrastinating beeyotch.


Consuela - Dec 20, 2003 4:28:27 pm PST #6821 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

the difficulty of relying on archives because of fandom politics, etc?

Care to clarify, Plei?

I know about the reccing problem, though. You want people to rely on you for quality. But then you get shit about elitism.


SailAweigh - Dec 20, 2003 4:28:41 pm PST #6822 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I'll agree fandom politics can really fuck up a good archive sometimes. I've actually removed some bookmarked authors because they abandoned an archive that I like.


Consuela - Dec 20, 2003 4:32:10 pm PST #6823 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I keep trying to get people to post fic to Leviathan. Cause, doood, clean html, loads fast, not cluttered with responses by other people.

But people are scared by the interface or something, I dunno. And I won't rec anything that's not on Leviathan, because boards move the frelling stories around to archive them, so the hell with that. And as a result I get accused of elitism cause I only rec stuff on Leviathan. ::shrugs::


Katie M - Dec 20, 2003 4:32:26 pm PST #6824 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I like reccers to be elitist. I mean, that's the whole point.


P.M. Marc - Dec 20, 2003 4:52:59 pm PST #6825 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I know about the reccing problem, though. You want people to rely on you for quality. But then you get shit about elitism.

Yeah, there is that. I want to rec, but am worried about people getting freaky if I *don't* rec them. Also, I'm worried about reccing something on my list, and forgetting to rec it at BBF, and then potentially feeling like an ass/looking like an ass because I didn't do the latter. (By the way, remember, gentle readers, find something good, rec it at BBF. Pretty please. Love, the silent admin.)

Care to clarify, Plei?

There are character-specific archives that I'll look through (especially when people submit stuff for the Writer's Zones) and realize are missing a lot of really good stuff, because the really good stuff was written by someone outside of the particular circle of the archive, and may have been written by someone with a different take on the character than the archivist. Of course, these are all the places with the "we take only the cream of the blah" policies.

I cannot verify it, but it often appears to be a result of the prickly nest of fandom politics, when I see that Archive X doesn't include anything from Author Y, when Author Y wrote Story G, which was picked Best In Show at Recs List Q or something, and then notice that the archivist at Archive X is on the other side of a Kerfuffle from Author Y. Like, you know, it's all connected.

Oh! Also, anyone HTML savvy want to co-run Buttery? I'm having a hard time keeping up with my 'chives, as I'm normally exhausted and not wanting to code when I get done with work.


erikaj - Dec 20, 2003 5:23:38 pm PST #6826 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!

I know what you mean, Plei, kind of. My own version of fandom insanity involved giving a complete stranger a review about not protecting a character too much from the responsiblity for his actions...I'm usually on the other side of that discussion...it felt weird. But there are tons of reasons John Munch got divorced that don't involve the Job. He's a moody, cranky, negative PITA that thinks about sex all the time(and sadly, the one character best representing my state of mind on TV at the moment.)


SailAweigh - Dec 20, 2003 5:29:38 pm PST #6827 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I want to rec, but am worried about people getting freaky if I *don't* rec them.

For those actually running an archive, I can see where this could be a problem. But, if they are someone who is in the archive, then a polite "I'm sorry I forgot you" and adding them to the recs should take care of it. If they aren't in the archive, just a gentle, "I'm sorry, your fic doesn't meet the criteria to be posted/recced, bye" seems to me to be the most polite response. I'm a great believer in Ann Landers' MYOB response when pressed for more detail.


P.M. Marc - Dec 20, 2003 5:42:31 pm PST #6828 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

For those actually running an archive, I can see where this could be a problem. But, if they are someone who is in the archive, then a polite "I'm sorry I forgot you" and adding them to the recs should take care of it. If they aren't in the archive, just a gentle, "I'm sorry, your fic doesn't meet the criteria to be posted/recced, bye" seems to me to be the most polite response. I'm a great believer in Ann Landers' MYOB response when pressed for more detail.

Oh, I'd be running a recs weekly report OUTSIDE of my regular archive duties. I don't rec things on my archives beyond mentioning that they're there, and occasionally changing the featured story on Big Sexy Man, when I remember to do that.

But, the issue at hand, for me, is that I'm (despite not doing much there) one of the mods on the Better Buffy Fics list, which is a fairly large list (1000+). Fandom being touchy, and Ms. Minim Calibre being a paranoid young lassie, Ms. Min would be quite worried that, if Ms. Min recommended someone off-hand in her LJ, and then spaced on sending an email to the list she's a mod on recommending that fic, then the person being rec'd might worry that something was wrong with the story, making it good enough for Ms. Min's LJ, but not good enough for BBF.

Ms. Min did mention the part where she's a paranoid young lassie, right?

Ms. Min apologizes for using 3rd person to describe her fandom self. She's a spaz.


SailAweigh - Dec 20, 2003 5:50:02 pm PST #6829 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Ahhh. Reverse of what I was thinking. But, again, if the author isn't totally passive-aggressive, an e-mail from them saying WTF only requires a response of "Oops, I'll add you to the archive ASAP." I'm guessing, though, there are more P-A people out there than not. It's too bad that your pseudonyms are so well known that this is a problem. Savest to not rec, as you don't.

Your BBF list, where can I find it? I don't think it's one I've got bookmarked.