Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination. Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Dana - Mar 06, 2003 3:45:51 pm PST #3957 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Um. I know I've written to people and said "Damn, do you write professionally? Because you really, really should." Which maybe does sound like it's dissing the fic thing, but it's just - there's so much published fiction out there, much of which is pants, and when you read really good stuff for free you sometimes think the writer really should be being rewarded financially. Um.

Gack. I didn't mean to make anyone uncomfortable. We all know, darling Fay, glorious Fay, that any feedback you send is darling and glorious.

It's specifically the "waste" thing that bemuses me. I mean, it's still a compliment, sure. But kind of...backhanded.


Consuela - Mar 06, 2003 3:48:01 pm PST #3958 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

there's so much published fiction out there, much of which is pants, and when you read really good stuff for free you sometimes think the writer really should be being rewarded financially.

Fay's right.

On the other hand, it takes a certain amount of effort to do that. Not just the writing but the effort to get published. A friend of mine has a series of three vampire thrillers written but not sold. Several people on this board have read a longass trilogy she wrote, and have raved over it. So these novels would sell if she could get them before the right people. But it would take some effort on her part and frankly she has other uses for her time.

I know I should be writing original fiction. But I like writing fanfic, too, and while it warms my heart to have people tell me I should be paid for it, I'm not at the moment particularly inspired to go through all that trouble.


Anne W. - Mar 06, 2003 3:50:41 pm PST #3959 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Oddly enough, I think I'd like to keep writing fan fiction even if I did sell original fiction to a magazine or publisher. I like playing with worlds and characters that other people have made, and seeing what happens if I push things in this direction vs. that direction.


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 3:59:37 pm PST #3960 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Consuela, totally understood and agreed with. It is an effort; right now I have the ms for second book of my new series on my publisher's desk. She's had it for precisely one month. And I'm whimpering and losing sleep: what if she hates it? What if she doesn't buy it? The first book would be an orphan. Selling it to another house would be damned near impossible. What if she hates it and she's right? What if it sucks donkeys?

In point of fact, every single damned thing to do with publishing is stressful. And I'm an insanely lucky writer; my publisher loves me and my agent is there strictly for business stuff. She doesn't even need to see the creative bits until everything's done. And I am still curling up fetal at night and having all these doubts (this stage of the process, while Ruth is reading the new work, is the only time I ever do have those doubts, so they're extra strength fucked and miserable). But on the other hand, it's also a natural part of the process, and one of the big dealies is putting my ego away in a drawer, and digging that being told "no" a few dozen times can be very useful to me as a writer, so long as I'm also told why.

Anne, I'm with you. Hell, I'm writing fanfic even as we speak. For one thing, for me, it's a beautiful way to self-discipline. having to stay true to someone else's worldview and characters, while maintaining my own style and whatnot, is nice hard work.


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 4:10:49 pm PST #3961 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

(um, did that sound ranty? sorry, it's a ranty sort of day....)


Rebecca Lizard - Mar 06, 2003 4:31:38 pm PST #3962 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Wrod with a side of wrod cakes to everything that's been said.

I occasionally ask amazing ficcers if they already write professionally, because I'd really like to pay to read their work. And sometimes I've said "I'm an assistant editor at this magazine. Have you written any original fiction you might maybe want to submit to us? I'd love to be able to publish your writing."


Michele T. - Mar 06, 2003 6:04:20 pm PST #3963 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I know a surprising number of professional writers who also write or have written fanfiction; as one of them said, "whatever gets you writing...." I don't think any of their work is archived on the net, though.

Signed, got a $200 kill fee for a week's worth of article research and writing work today, and is feeling like getting paid for one's writing is one of those things that, like Western civilization, would be a very good idea...


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 7:30:25 pm PST #3964 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Aw jeez, Michele. I hate kill fees. Half the time, they barely cover materials costs.


Consuela - Mar 06, 2003 9:00:16 pm PST #3965 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So what's a kill fee?


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 9:04:56 pm PST #3966 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

It's what a magazine (or in my case, back when I was a researcher, a scholar needing or wanting some ghostwriting done) pays you in order to get out of actually publishing what you've done for them.

Generally it's a pittance. Evil prats. Worst of both worlds: you do all the work, possibly incur some expenses, and you get neither a full paycheque nor your work in print.