I just think you're freakin' out 'cause you have to fight someone prettier than you.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 3:59:37 pm PST #3960 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Consuela, totally understood and agreed with. It is an effort; right now I have the ms for second book of my new series on my publisher's desk. She's had it for precisely one month. And I'm whimpering and losing sleep: what if she hates it? What if she doesn't buy it? The first book would be an orphan. Selling it to another house would be damned near impossible. What if she hates it and she's right? What if it sucks donkeys?

In point of fact, every single damned thing to do with publishing is stressful. And I'm an insanely lucky writer; my publisher loves me and my agent is there strictly for business stuff. She doesn't even need to see the creative bits until everything's done. And I am still curling up fetal at night and having all these doubts (this stage of the process, while Ruth is reading the new work, is the only time I ever do have those doubts, so they're extra strength fucked and miserable). But on the other hand, it's also a natural part of the process, and one of the big dealies is putting my ego away in a drawer, and digging that being told "no" a few dozen times can be very useful to me as a writer, so long as I'm also told why.

Anne, I'm with you. Hell, I'm writing fanfic even as we speak. For one thing, for me, it's a beautiful way to self-discipline. having to stay true to someone else's worldview and characters, while maintaining my own style and whatnot, is nice hard work.


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 4:10:49 pm PST #3961 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

(um, did that sound ranty? sorry, it's a ranty sort of day....)


Rebecca Lizard - Mar 06, 2003 4:31:38 pm PST #3962 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Wrod with a side of wrod cakes to everything that's been said.

I occasionally ask amazing ficcers if they already write professionally, because I'd really like to pay to read their work. And sometimes I've said "I'm an assistant editor at this magazine. Have you written any original fiction you might maybe want to submit to us? I'd love to be able to publish your writing."


Michele T. - Mar 06, 2003 6:04:20 pm PST #3963 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I know a surprising number of professional writers who also write or have written fanfiction; as one of them said, "whatever gets you writing...." I don't think any of their work is archived on the net, though.

Signed, got a $200 kill fee for a week's worth of article research and writing work today, and is feeling like getting paid for one's writing is one of those things that, like Western civilization, would be a very good idea...


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 7:30:25 pm PST #3964 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Aw jeez, Michele. I hate kill fees. Half the time, they barely cover materials costs.


Consuela - Mar 06, 2003 9:00:16 pm PST #3965 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So what's a kill fee?


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 9:04:56 pm PST #3966 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

It's what a magazine (or in my case, back when I was a researcher, a scholar needing or wanting some ghostwriting done) pays you in order to get out of actually publishing what you've done for them.

Generally it's a pittance. Evil prats. Worst of both worlds: you do all the work, possibly incur some expenses, and you get neither a full paycheque nor your work in print.


Consuela - Mar 06, 2003 9:25:58 pm PST #3967 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Squirrel bastards!

Does that mean you can sell it elsewhere, though?


Rebecca Lizard - Mar 06, 2003 9:30:02 pm PST #3968 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

That's where the "kill" part comes in, I believe.


deborah grabien - Mar 06, 2003 9:31:34 pm PST #3969 of 10000
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Yes, unless you've done something truly odd and signed something to contrary, generally in blood. In which case, you're hosed.

The first time I ever got kill-fee'd was a professor doing Elizabethan lit critique (article). Won't say who, when or what country. even now. I signed something, did two months worth of writing and research for a minimal weekly fee and the understanding that I'd get a co-credit and a big fat pub cheque.

I got dick-all. The bugger invoked the kill-fee clause and the article, without my name with damned all my work, appeared anyway.