askye, I thought that when Caine's character discovered that Angiers was still alive as the Count, he had sympathy for Alfred because he was being imprisoned unfairly, and his daughter had been taken from him. He had thought up to that point that Angiers was really dead. I think the movie shifts sympathies at that point as well, because we start to fully see how Angiers has taken this well beyond the point of sanity.
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Ailleann - Jan 22, 2007 6:19:11 am PST #7097 of 10001
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askye - Jan 22, 2007 8:22:33 am PST #7098 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
Well, are we supposed to infer that Caine's character knew all the time that Alfred and Fallon were the brothers and he just kept the secret becuase of professional curtosey? And then when he realized what Aingers was doing he went to Fallon, to side with him?
Dana - Jan 22, 2007 8:27:14 am PST #7099 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I don't think anyone knew about the brothers. The secret was far too important to them.
§ ita § - Jan 22, 2007 8:37:32 am PST #7100 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You don't think the wife knew?
Dana - Jan 22, 2007 8:38:58 am PST #7101 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
No. If she had known, we wouldn't have had all of that stuff about how sometimes when he said "he loved her" it was true and sometimes it wasn't. Did she figure it out? I wasn't left with that impression, but I don't remember enough detail about the screaming fight they had with the daughter outside the door.
§ ita § - Jan 22, 2007 8:39:52 am PST #7102 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't remember if it was here or in meatspace, but there was conjecture that she did know, and that's what she was going to tell the mistress, and basically why she killed herself.
beekaytee - Jan 22, 2007 8:41:00 am PST #7103 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant
I'm certain she DID know. That her questioning was simply a way of trying to get him to acknowledge both the truth and her suffering. When that acknowledgment was not proffered...
Ailleann - Jan 22, 2007 8:44:37 am PST #7104 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda
I think that at that point in the story, Caine's character was in on the plan. He had no air of suspicion as to why this random guy would be walking into a privately-owned theater in the dead of night. He didn't like what Angiers had done, and helped Fallon to get revenge.
That being said, I don't think he knew the whole time. Probably didn't find out until Angiers's plot was uncovered.
Laga - Jan 22, 2007 8:58:49 am PST #7105 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I'm amused by the imdb's daily poll today (you have to register to vote)
Vonnie K - Jan 23, 2007 5:39:09 am PST #7106 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Oscar noms are out: [link]
No major surprises there. I don't have big beef with the noms, although I wish Children of Men had received more nominations. (Editing, Cinematography and Adapted Screenplay are substantial awards, but I'd have liked Cuaron score a directing nom. Ah, well.) Plus, I have yet to see half the films nominated.
Yay, Little Miss Sunshine!
Edie Murphy is in, Jennifer Hudson is out.
An Inconvient Truth has a... Best Song nomination? Wha? Also, Al Gore can now introduce himself as "Al Gore, from the Oscar-nominated film, An Inconvenient Truth."