Book: Yes, I'd forgotten you're moonlighting as a criminal mastermind now. Got your next heist planned? Simon: No. But I'm thinking about growing a big black mustache. I'm a traditionalist.

'War Stories'


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askye - Jan 22, 2007 6:12:46 am PST #7096 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I saw The Prestige last night and I liked it, I have to admit I never guessed that Fallon was also Alfred until he revealed it at the end. Partly because I ignored Fallon most of the time and just considered him background (which I guess was the point). I couldn't figure out how he was doing the Transported Man trick, but didn't worry about figuring it out and waited until it was revealed. Also people kept getting up and moving in the theater so I would get distracted. I did know how Aingers was doing his trick and even though I know that he was drowning the duplicates it was still creepy to see them all lined up like that. I do want to see it again so I can look at Fallon and Alfred more and see where the changes are.

There is one thing I'm a bit fuzzy on -- I couldn't tell if Michael Caine's character knew that Alfred and Fallon were one person. At the end when Michael Caine's character is walking away from the theater and Alfred is walking towards it they sort of look like they acknowledge each other but I wasn't sure.


Ailleann - Jan 22, 2007 6:19:11 am PST #7097 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

askye, I thought that when Caine's character discovered that Angiers was still alive as the Count, he had sympathy for Alfred because he was being imprisoned unfairly, and his daughter had been taken from him. He had thought up to that point that Angiers was really dead. I think the movie shifts sympathies at that point as well, because we start to fully see how Angiers has taken this well beyond the point of sanity.


askye - Jan 22, 2007 8:22:33 am PST #7098 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Well, are we supposed to infer that Caine's character knew all the time that Alfred and Fallon were the brothers and he just kept the secret becuase of professional curtosey? And then when he realized what Aingers was doing he went to Fallon, to side with him?


Dana - Jan 22, 2007 8:27:14 am PST #7099 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I don't think anyone knew about the brothers. The secret was far too important to them.


§ ita § - Jan 22, 2007 8:37:32 am PST #7100 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You don't think the wife knew?


Dana - Jan 22, 2007 8:38:58 am PST #7101 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

No. If she had known, we wouldn't have had all of that stuff about how sometimes when he said "he loved her" it was true and sometimes it wasn't. Did she figure it out? I wasn't left with that impression, but I don't remember enough detail about the screaming fight they had with the daughter outside the door.


§ ita § - Jan 22, 2007 8:39:52 am PST #7102 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't remember if it was here or in meatspace, but there was conjecture that she did know, and that's what she was going to tell the mistress, and basically why she killed herself.


beekaytee - Jan 22, 2007 8:41:00 am PST #7103 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

I'm certain she DID know. That her questioning was simply a way of trying to get him to acknowledge both the truth and her suffering. When that acknowledgment was not proffered...


Ailleann - Jan 22, 2007 8:44:37 am PST #7104 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I think that at that point in the story, Caine's character was in on the plan. He had no air of suspicion as to why this random guy would be walking into a privately-owned theater in the dead of night. He didn't like what Angiers had done, and helped Fallon to get revenge.

That being said, I don't think he knew the whole time. Probably didn't find out until Angiers's plot was uncovered.


Laga - Jan 22, 2007 8:58:49 am PST #7105 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'm amused by the imdb's daily poll today (you have to register to vote)