Young Simon: So... how'd the Independents cut us off? Young River: They were using dinosaurs.

'Safe'


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Nutty - Dec 21, 2006 11:03:26 am PST #6566 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

John Frankenheimer is an awesome director. I love how he uses the camera, even in 1962 -- smash cuts and deep focus and that exceedingly cool picture-in-picture effect durign the Congressional hearing at the beginning.

Now I have to see Children of Men just for this legendary shot.

Will you report back whether the concept is as unbelieveably insulting as it sounds?


Nutty - Dec 21, 2006 11:03:38 am PST #6567 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

edit: Okay, John Frankenheimer isn't that awesome.


§ ita § - Dec 21, 2006 11:04:30 am PST #6568 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Cuaron is dangerously close to getting on my "they get to make whatever they want, forever, and I'll be there" list, along with Jackson and Miyazaki and Almodovar.

Ang Lee used to be on my list for that...I miss those days.


Sean K - Dec 21, 2006 11:14:59 am PST #6569 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Will you report back whether the concept is as unbelieveably insulting as it sounds?

This is a take I was previously unaware of. What's insulting about the concept?


erikaj - Dec 21, 2006 11:16:18 am PST #6570 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

JZ, not to worry...if I really thought you'd do that, I'd devote my next visit to SF to teaching Matilda "eyefuck" or something. Of course then she might be a Tarentino, and everyone wins.


Nutty - Dec 21, 2006 11:22:06 am PST #6571 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

What's insulting about the concept?

There are gossip rumblings I've read about the last pregnant woman on earth being sub-Saharan African, and how (being both black and female) the movie treats her as pawn-material, an object, a belly with no brains, rather than a subject and a character in her own right. I've only seen the trailer, so I don't know whether to take that with a grain of salt, or to get mad in advance.


Amy - Dec 21, 2006 11:24:40 am PST #6572 of 10001
Because books.

I don't remember that attitude from the book. But it's been a long time since I read it.


Jessica - Dec 21, 2006 11:33:50 am PST #6573 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Bah, I can't copy-paste on this thing. Anyway, that shot? Isn't even the best one in the film. there's another earlier on that's even more impressive.

AFAICT, most of the racism/sexism charges being thrown at this film are coming from people who have not seen it. Kee (the pregnant woman) is dependent on others for her safety because she's young and alone and people are trying to kill her, but she absolutely has agency in determining who is allowed to help her and in what manner. The people in the film trying to use her as a pawn are the *bad guys*.


Beverly - Dec 21, 2006 12:01:09 pm PST #6574 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

The best it to watch that Manchurian Candidate and then watch Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Makes for much surreal fun.

Especially when followed up with Pirates of Penzance.


Sean K - Dec 21, 2006 12:13:56 pm PST #6575 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Anyway, that shot? Isn't even the best one in the film. there's another earlier on that's even more impressive.

Need to see this movie now. The tale of the seven minute action shot, as told by Cuaron, is epic. I still haven't seen Y Tu Mama Tambien. I shall have to remedy that.