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Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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§ ita § - Feb 03, 2006 10:42:50 pm PST #341 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Saw Underworld: Evolution.

Had a number of conflicting thoughts--if the movie starts in 1202, and Selene's been a death dealer for 600 years--was she turned in 1223 and just sat around? Or did they wait on imprisoning William? How come that shotgun blast from the soldier near the safe house didn't tear her clothing. How in HELL does she get in and out of those clothes? What does it take to kill a vampire or a werewolf anyway? How "Fezzik! Tear his arms off!" "Oh that gate key!" was Markus's interrogation of Tannis?


SailAweigh - Feb 04, 2006 5:26:42 am PST #342 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I don't think we were meant to notice those things, ita. I think all we were really supposed to notice was Kate's butt in leather.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2006 6:04:01 am PST #343 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My god, her butt! I also like that Scott Speedman continually and pointedly ended up shirtless, for no clear reason.

Something that quite impressed me was the use of the word "fuck." It seemed really natural.


Jesse - Feb 04, 2006 7:08:54 am PST #344 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It was like three-quarters of the way through the movie before I realized that the no-nose guy was that other guy. It didn't turn out to matter.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2006 7:10:20 am PST #345 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, not so much mattered, except that Speedman also seemed to have lost his belt. I couldn't tell you when, because as soon as his shirt came off I couldn't pay attention to other stuff. But it was riding way low by the end.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 04, 2006 7:14:21 am PST #346 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The jump out of the helicopter was nice. Pity he didn't hit the water headfirst, though, so we could have done away with the pants altogether.

I had the distinct impression from the first movie that Selene's family was killed in the 18th century, and she'd been a vampire a little over two centuries. Making her over 600 really sabotages the "you're too young to safely awaken Victor with your blood" bit that was a fairly major plot point back then.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2006 7:33:51 am PST #347 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Death dealer means vampire, right? Not just one job description of vampire? Because the timelines really don't work.


Mr. Broom - Feb 04, 2006 7:52:47 am PST #348 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I was given to understand that Death Dealers were the fightin' vampires, the ones who did the dirty work so the rest could sit around wearing corsets and engaging in intrigues.


Mikey - Feb 04, 2006 8:14:06 am PST #349 of 10001
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

Selene's been a death dealer for 600 years--was she turned in 1223 and just sat around?
Ita, there were some odd things in that chronology, and I'm not sure I remember well enough to answer you. The imprisoned brother: was his prison constructed before he was captured or after, and if so what did they do to keep him contained while it was being built? Selene was turned after it'd been built--but she was a child then, and wouldn't she have remained a child? Or was she a child then?

Kate Beckinsale in fetishwear clouds my memory.


Volans - Feb 04, 2006 10:33:27 am PST #350 of 10001
move out and draw fire

I was given to understand that Death Dealers were the fightin' vampires, the ones who did the dirty work so the rest could sit around wearing corsets and engaging in intrigues.

This.

If they're sticking with what they ripped from White Wolf games.

but since these guys were like Reilly, O'Connor, Washington, and Plot Device, it was like "eh."

HAR.