That movie made me the happiest I've been (in-theater) since the last one came out.
However, my friendslist is all over how racist it is, and now I am (A) sad and (B) worried that I'm not allowed to like it any more.
Well some friends of Buffy played a funny joke and they took her stuff and now she wants us to help get it back from her friends who sleep all day and have no tans.
Xander ,'Lessons'
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Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2006 2:53:40 pm PDT #2785 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2006 2:56:20 pm PDT #2786 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Oh, and the OT3? So canon now. So very canon.
§ ita § - Jul 08, 2006 3:30:40 pm PDT #2787 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
"Allowed" is a strong term. Like it if you will.
I posted in oyceter's LJ. Funnily, the first movie bothered me because I grew near a (the?) Port Royal which was a hotbed of piracy--the pirate capital of the world, and one of the richest cities in the Americas. So it was jarring to see their Port Royal, peaceful, and with dramatic cliff coastlines.
As for this movie, I was always taught about the Caribs who lived on the islands before the white man came and started importing slaves (and were not black, despite the impression left on oyceter). They spoke pidgin to communicate with the Europeans (really not an uncommon practice, and not a denigrating one, as far as I can tell) and performed religious cannibalism. Or that's what we were told. I understand it's under dispute right now--but under dispute. I'm not aware of it having been disproven. I was also startled to see that she couldn't understand the witchy-woman. I processed her as an Obeah-type practicioner because of her Jamaican accent (it seemed to waver to a couple other islands here and there, but predominantly yardie). Obviously I'm hardly a good control subject, but usually I can tell when it's not understandable.
DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:33:29 pm PDT #2788 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Back from Pirates. I'd like to hear speculation on why Jack goes back to fight against the Kraken. His compass finally points true, and you think it's for the Black Pearl (as it was in the first movie), but then he says "it's just a ship." It doesn't seem to be for the crew themselves. Elizabeth ruthlessly sacrifices him to escape the Kraken. What makes Jack's compass point true? I have a notion, but it's based on minor spoilers for the next movie. Foreshadowed in this one though!
sumi - Jul 08, 2006 3:33:41 pm PDT #2789 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
I could mostly understand her - and I figured that the cannibals were supposed to be the Caribs. So, it didn't bother me.
DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:34:40 pm PDT #2790 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
As with ita, I also understood that the Caribes practiced cannibalism.
sumi - Jul 08, 2006 3:36:14 pm PDT #2791 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Uh, my notion was that it was Elizabeth. I don't think a spot of underhandedness would bother Jack. (He'd do the same.)
DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:39:05 pm PDT #2792 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Huh. That didn't seem that strong to me, but they definitely did set some of that up.
Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2006 3:48:14 pm PDT #2793 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I understood the woman just fine.
If there's a documented Carib culture, then I'll give myself a pass.
Lee - Jul 08, 2006 3:58:36 pm PDT #2794 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
For those of you who know my ScruffyWes love, it will come as no surprise that I am pretty much Norrington's bitch now. (edited just in case that counts as a spoiler)
As for the rest of the movie, the racial stuff bothered me a bit too, but maybe not as much as it should have, and not enough to stop me from liking the movie a hell of a lot. Not as much as the first one, which I bet I will be rewatching tonight, but still a lot.