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DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:33:29 pm PDT #2788 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Back from Pirates. I'd like to hear speculation on why Jack goes back to fight against the Kraken. His compass finally points true, and you think it's for the Black Pearl (as it was in the first movie), but then he says "it's just a ship." It doesn't seem to be for the crew themselves. Elizabeth ruthlessly sacrifices him to escape the Kraken. What makes Jack's compass point true? I have a notion, but it's based on minor spoilers for the next movie. Foreshadowed in this one though!


sumi - Jul 08, 2006 3:33:41 pm PDT #2789 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I could mostly understand her - and I figured that the cannibals were supposed to be the Caribs. So, it didn't bother me.


DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:34:40 pm PDT #2790 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

As with ita, I also understood that the Caribes practiced cannibalism.


sumi - Jul 08, 2006 3:36:14 pm PDT #2791 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Uh, my notion was that it was Elizabeth. I don't think a spot of underhandedness would bother Jack. (He'd do the same.)


DavidS - Jul 08, 2006 3:39:05 pm PDT #2792 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Huh. That didn't seem that strong to me, but they definitely did set some of that up.


Betsy HP - Jul 08, 2006 3:48:14 pm PDT #2793 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I understood the woman just fine.

If there's a documented Carib culture, then I'll give myself a pass.


Lee - Jul 08, 2006 3:58:36 pm PDT #2794 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

For those of you who know my ScruffyWes love, it will come as no surprise that I am pretty much Norrington's bitch now. (edited just in case that counts as a spoiler)

As for the rest of the movie, the racial stuff bothered me a bit too, but maybe not as much as it should have, and not enough to stop me from liking the movie a hell of a lot. Not as much as the first one, which I bet I will be rewatching tonight, but still a lot.


Strega - Jul 08, 2006 4:10:22 pm PDT #2795 of 10001

I'm confused with oyceter's implication that it's racist because all the black characters have strong accents, given that it's set in the 17th C. Caribbean. t seems worse to me to suggest that characters can't be, I dunno, "acceptable," unless they speak with a nice middle-American accent.

And yeah, I thought the priestess/witch was perfectly clear. I had trouble with the guy in the rowboat who made Will swim to the island but I think that was more because he spoke quickly. Though nobody should tell Fay that the most evil human character is British.

Hec, I think my idea at the time was that Elizabeth was right, that he wanted to try being noble. . I'm not convinced of that, though. Alternatively, there's something inside the Kraken, or at World's End. I think the compass pointing to Jack when Elizabeth holds it is that kind of, er, misdirection, though. What's your theory?

--Oh! Wait! He wants to talk to Keith Richards, and he has to die to do that!

Lee, I was thinking he was sorta Wesley-like. Heh.


§ ita § - Jul 08, 2006 4:13:41 pm PDT #2796 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The guy in the rowboat...you know, that guy in that rowboat was speaking French, wasn't he? I understood him, so it's hard for me to be sure in retrospect (I remember what I understood better than what I heard).


Lee - Jul 08, 2006 4:17:10 pm PDT #2797 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I thought he was speaking French, ita.