If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Book ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Spike's Bitches 28: For the Safety of Puppies...and Christmas!  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


JZ - Feb 13, 2006 8:15:48 am PST #8952 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Aw, shit. Tep, much, much -ma to you and your dad, and wisdom and guidance to all the doctors, nurses and medical staff treating him.

{{{Gud}}} What everyone else said, especially Bev, and please do contact Hec, who has masses of insight and experience with amicably negotiating custody and co-parenting.

And I know we're only getting your half of the story, and I know that the lack of romance must have been damaging -- but, still. Even so. I've known couples, both 3-D and online, who fell out of love and still negotiated some kind of peaceable coexistence. "For the sake of the kids" is an incredibly hackneyed phrase, but I do know people who've been willing to do that, to settle for the absence of romantic love because they'd committed to the marriage, they'd made children who hadn't asked for this situation, and they could see that their spouse was a good and present parent.

It's a hugely un-ideal situation, but it's less awful than where it seems you've been for the last year or so, with your wife needing the romance and punishing you for the lack of it, and not acknowledging the areas where you really are a good partner. From way over here on the left coast reading your pixels, it's seemed like she's been setting herself up for disappointment and you up for failure and castigation, over and over and over, and it's been bruising and misery-making for both of you. Even a cool and passionless armistice would have been less soul-killing than this.


Amy - Feb 13, 2006 8:15:51 am PST #8953 of 10001
Because books.

Vibing for your dad, Tep.


DavidS - Feb 13, 2006 8:23:33 am PST #8954 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Gud, I agree that it's probably premature to hash out the details here (although we're here when you're ready.) However, it is VITAL that you not let your guilt guide you in the early stages of the divorce. You can easily be guilt-tripped into giving up things that you and the kids need for mental health. For instance, this is not the moment to decide who's the better parent and therefore who gets temporary custody. This is not the moment to tell her that it's all your fault, because that *will* be used against you.

Gud, this is really important to remember. I spent several years on the TT divorce boards and heard every possible disastrous custudy fight you can imagine. Almost all of the too-late-to-change-it life-changing mistakes happened in the zone where you are now. Where good, conscientious people felt guilty about their responsibility for a failed marriage, and the other party exploited it.

I know you can't even imagine that happening now, and it probably won't come to that. But you do have to be careful.

You don't want to be in the situation (which I saw many times) where three years from now, she's remarrying and moving to Texas and taking the kids with her.

Things can change very rapidly between two people during a separation and a divorce. Things you can't imagine them doing - they'll do.

For the sake of your children, please get some legal counsel and find out what the laws are in your state.


Laura - Feb 13, 2006 8:28:21 am PST #8955 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

Nothing~but~an~annoying~bug~ma to Teppy's dad.

Whatever happens, I hope it resolves itself into something easier and less painful for you both, and for your wonderful kids.

This. I'm so sorry Gud. Please don't lay all the blame on yourself. There may be rare exceptions but in my experience it takes 2 to make a relationship work, and it takes 2 to destroy it. From my limited knowledge of your situation it does seem like it won't be doing anyone any good to continue the way you have been.


Jessica - Feb 13, 2006 8:29:12 am PST #8956 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

~~~~ma, Tep.


Emily - Feb 13, 2006 8:33:23 am PST #8957 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Gudanov, I'm so sorry. I'm hoping for the best for you -- whatever that turns out to be.

Tep, I hope everything's all right with your father.


vw bug - Feb 13, 2006 8:35:54 am PST #8958 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Oh, Gud. I'm so sorry.

Health~ma to Teppy's dad and sanity~ma to Teppy.

Health~ma to sj as well.

In mememe news, I just got home from the hospital. I think I had one of the most unprofessional doctors I've ever seen. She went on and on about how often I see the "shrink" then told me that my cough was all in my head. Apparently, I can psychologically decide to turn it off. Boy, I wish that was true.

So, that was a total waste of my time, and I missed school for it. The good news is I am feeling a little better, and I talked to my PCP again, and we've made a plan. Not a good morning, though.


Nora Deirdre - Feb 13, 2006 8:36:55 am PST #8959 of 10001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

She went on and on about how often I see the "shrink" then told me that my cough was all in my head. Apparently, I can psychologically decide to turn it off.

Oh my sweet jesus lord. URGE TO KILL RISING...RISING...


Laura - Feb 13, 2006 8:38:12 am PST #8960 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

Apparently, I can psychologically decide to turn it off.

Unreal. I walked out and quit my first real job when the boss told me that my allergy to the company accountant's extreme perfume was all in my head.


Emily - Feb 13, 2006 8:38:27 am PST #8961 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Oh my sweet jesus lord. URGE TO KILL RISING...RISING...

Dude, no kidding, right?