Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


Spike's Bitches 28: For the Safety of Puppies...and Christmas!  

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sj - Jan 05, 2006 8:29:46 am PST #3366 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

{{{Teppy}}} Get some sleep and maybe things will become clearer to you when you wake up.


Scrappy - Jan 05, 2006 8:39:06 am PST #3367 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Teppy--medical professionals tend to stress the worst case scenario as a result of lawsuits and it sounds to me like your Aunt took that and ran with it. If she is older, she may be of that generation which accepts anything a doctor says and agrees, since "they know best." She made a stupid decision but her feelings of worry and being overwhelmed are, I'm sure, as real and as painful for her as they are for you. I would be totally angry at her myself, but I would probably stop by for at least a little while, since it IS your Grandfather too.

I'd say get some sleep and take care of yourself first and THEN see how you feel.


beth b - Jan 05, 2006 8:43:08 am PST #3368 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

My understanding is that it takes a while for skin cancer cells to become dangerous, but I have no idea what is the case. I think leaveing it alone , unless it was causeing major pain makes sense... but I don't know enough


Trudy Booth - Jan 05, 2006 8:44:25 am PST #3369 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I coming here to say pretty much what Robin did but it likely would have included the phrase "old biddy" and not been nearly as nice.


Betsy HP - Jan 05, 2006 8:47:42 am PST #3370 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

What Robin Said. If A Doctor told her that she had to do this surgery and tried to scare her into it (which is certainly what it sounds like), most Americans would say "Yes, sir!". It's the rare person who says "Are you nuts? What are my alternatives? What is my quality of life going to be without a nose?"


WindSparrow - Jan 05, 2006 8:49:32 am PST #3371 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

*Am* I being deliberately obtuse about this? It just doesn't sound to me like the cancerous cells were an imminent danger, not when he's 90 years old.

You are not wrong for thinking that a choice to not operate in the first place would be a good thing. On the other hand, if your aunt has yet to accept your grandfather's mortallity (or is having subconscious issues about her own) or if she just is not capable of coolly, and carefully thinking rationally about emotional subjects which require decisions right away, the default setting for decisions about cancer is Make It Go Away! Now! So your aunt is not insane either, just not as level-headed as you. At the same time, it is not insane for you to not want to help a heck of a lot. You certainly should not bear the brunt of helping your aunt care for your grandfather if no one else is choosing to help.

How would it be to do a small amount - like what would be your fair share if every member of the family did their fair share of work in this situation? Oh sure, it would probably not get much gratitude from your aunt, but it could hold the guilt at bay.


Steph L. - Jan 05, 2006 9:06:48 am PST #3372 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

She made a stupid decision but her feelings of worry and being overwhelmed are, I'm sure, as real and as painful for her as they are for you.

Ooops -- I meant to say this, seriously. I absolutely don't deny that her feelings are real, and valid, and I know that dealing with this is hard for her. I totally get that. But my being angry at her is winning right now.

Literally 30 seconds after I hit "Post," my phone rang, and it was my cousin who was at the hospital last night with me (and I don't even remember if I mentioned yesterday that she was there, too). She's planning on spending the night at the hospital tonight to keep an eye on Grandpa so that my aunt can go home and get some sleep (my aunt spent the night last night).

Cousin asked me if I would go over to the hospital and give my aunt a dinner break. I don't want to, in all honesty, but I will. I *do* know from hanging out at hospitals with my Dad that it's nice to have company. (I just don't think my aunt is overly fond of my company right now.)

But, given that I live 2 minutes from the hospital, I'm getting a distinct guilt vibe for not volunteering to spend the night there to keep an eye on Grandpa. Which is where my serious 'tude kicks in about my mom and other!aunt, and caretaker!aunt's husband. *They're* his kids (well, not caretaker!aunt's husband, but you know what I mean). They should be there.

I know I'm being a totally selfish ranty bitch, but honestly. I am not and can not be the hospital caretaker of both sides of my family.

And 2 of my light bulbs blew last night. I feel like *I* caused it, with some sort of Carrie-like power.


beth b - Jan 05, 2006 9:13:57 am PST #3373 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Actually, In the Charlie Bone books the uncle does that to lightbulbs all the time. Since you spend so much time with your Dad when he is in the hospital - and there really isn't anyone else to help you out, I think the dinner break is more than enough. Esp. If you are going to be dealing with anger ( both in you and from outside)


Laura - Jan 05, 2006 9:16:25 am PST #3374 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

What they said Teppy. The "doctor knows best" feeling is widespread. Going back to bed would feel like a good option.

I'm going to keep thinking about that because if we are born with inner divinity could it be possible I was born to be a pissed-off smart-aleck?

He did indeed note that greed and violence were part of human nature. I did feel bad that in his 50 years or so of Zen practice it took George W to push him to fall into such an anger zone. Angry hatred spewing words coming from this gentle man sitting peacefully in lotus pose was quite startling. It was understandable though because that man in Washington brings out the worst emotions in me too.


erikaj - Jan 05, 2006 10:28:29 am PST #3375 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I think about making a Zapruder film of him. And when I say I'm an angry person, I mean more like "you asshole" than wanna-be assassin. I'm not like that! But he tries me, and I'm not violent, despite certain violent preoccupations in the art I prefer, and also despite the fact that I'm not "Carry the ants outside," nonviolent.